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One in three Republicans now think Donald Trump was wrong candidate choice
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Yup, exactly. That's the question that actually matters. Tons of Republicans were very vocally against Trump in 2016 too, but fell in line as soon as he was named their official candidate. The Republican Party is great at unifying around candidates and messaging when it counts (probably one of their only legitimate strengths.)
Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.
The problem with Democrats is that because it's a big tent, it's harder to coalesce around one or two issues. Some Democrats really care about the environment and won't come out to vote unless the candidate says they'll do right by it. Other Democrats care about prison reform and won't vote for a candidate that has a history of supporting laws that put more people into prison.
When the Republican platform is "At least we're not liberals", it's much easier to get your people out to vote.
The whole Democrat approach has been "we aren't donald trump" for the last 8 years. The GOP base stopped caring about "electability" after 2012 and just started replacing their lukewarm candidates with rabid evengalists who say and push for what the hardliners want. No one at the RNC pre-Trump takeover of it actually liked people like MTG, Bobert, Matt Gaetz, or even Trump. But those people are massively popular with their voters, so leadership has to accept them.
Meanwhile the Democratic party is so opposed to listening to what their base actually wants and are constantly trying to chase conservative voters like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football. Progressives face opposition at every step from the party structure, while people who support those progressives get belittled, ridiculed, and told not to participate. And when by some chance a progressive candidate actually gets elected and starts to get media attention, the Democrats cave to the conservatives criticizing those progressives rather than protecting their own. The only ones who cared about MTG going on about Jewish space lasers were Democrats. Meanwhile when Ihlan Omar made comments about Israeli crimes against Palestinians and Israeli attempts to whitewash those crimes, the Democrats were the ones drafting legislation to censure her in all but name.
What the GOP cares about is power and doing whatever it takes to hold that power. But the Democrats only care about maintaining the status quo at all costs. One has am actual vision, while the other is treading water and wondering why they are going nowhere.
Isn't that the same thing as caring about power and whatever it takes to hold onto that power? The Democrats are representative of the liberal establishment, which controls the bureaucracy, the culture makers, social media, etc.
HAHAHA - shit Dmitry, you need new material man. The culture makers? FFS.
Here - in America, where we live - the "liberal establishment" makes approximately 10% of the "culture" in most of the southern and midwestern states. (A state is like a small country here.)
Ah, yes, the South and Midwest. Famous centers of American culture production. I was, of course, referring to Los Angeles and New York, which are the major cultural meccas of America. Hollywood, Broadway, Madison Avenue, the major labels, the major publishers, the major networks, etc. It's funny that you accuse me of being a foreigner when you don't know that you just listed the two regions infamously referred to as "flyover country" by the elites who actually shape American culture.
If you’re equating culture with movies and . . . Broadway? Then, uh, yeah I guess? To a large extent movies and Broadway and televised advertisement appeal to and thus reflect some liberal positions, sure. In a necessarily very non-threatening, centrist kind of way.
But that manufactured media of movies, tv, Broadway shows and the rest is an input to the actual culture in which humans usually live, and it ain’t liberal in a lot of the swing states. Turns out, there’s plenty not-liberal movies, tv, and . . . okay maybe not Broadway, ya got me there.
Liberal elite media establishment - thats some Russia Today language, man. Or Fox News. Same thing, I guess.
Also the south is where all the music came from, and the midwest made it possible. So, culture production ftw.
"Culture is a complex and multifaceted concept that encompasses the beliefs, behaviors, values, customs, symbols, language, and artifacts that are shared by a group of people. It shapes their worldview, influences their social practices, and provides a framework for understanding their environment and interactions with others. Culture is both dynamic and adaptive, evolving over time as societies change and individuals contribute new ideas and practices. It is transmitted from generation to generation through socialization, education, and communication, and it plays a critical role in shaping individual and collective identities.
Cultural production refers to the processes and activities involved in creating, disseminating, and perpetuating cultural content such as art, literature, music, film, fashion, and other forms of expressive and symbolic materials. This encompasses not only the creative acts themselves but also the economic, social, and institutional frameworks that support and distribute these cultural products.
The cultural elite, on the other hand, consists of individuals and groups who hold significant influence and authority within the cultural sphere, often shaping trends, tastes, and norms. These elites typically include prominent artists, intellectuals, critics, curators, media moguls, and others who have the power to determine what cultural products gain prominence and how they are perceived by the broader public."
The above was written by Chat.GPT. Just in case you think I'm making up terms.
The cultural elite in America, who shape the mainstream culture, have very liberal/progressive values and use their position to push those values on Americans. This is then reinforced through the public education system, including state universities, which are also liberal institutions.
There is no "centrist" position in the culture war. The left has embraced queer theory as central to its cultural values, and queer theory is necessarily completely and totally opposed to the traditional Christian values that have been the bedrock of Western civilization for 1600 years. The one must necessarily destroy the other.
This is a non-argument, just an attempt at poisoning the well. "The establishment" refers to the dominant group or elite who hold power and influence in a society, typically maintaining the status quo and resisting significant changes. There's no point in denying that a liberal media establishment exists. Fox News would be part of the conservative media establishment -- hell, Fox News practically defines the conservative media establishment, with the Daily Wire and a network of podcasts defining conservative media counterculture. The liberal media counterculture would be things like The Young Turks, Hasan Piker, The Hill, etc.
lol. Glad I didn’t read it. Gonna leave you to it now.
How very NPC of you.
I’m not the one getting a phrase generator to write my arguments then accusing the other of being a non participant.
I didn't have Chat.GPT write my arguments. I had it provide the conventional definition for the terms I was using because you, like all liberal/progressives in 2024, won't actually argue the point, You're just be pedantic and argue definitions. Or make other excuses. It's pointless trying to engage with liberal/progressives. None of you understand anything about your own positions, none of you can argue of defend your positions, all you people can do is make up excuses why you don't have to engage in real arguments while declaring yourselves "on the right side of history" and calling everyone who has a different opinion a stupid, thoughtless bigot.
Because that's what you are, a thoughtless bigot, incapable of making real arguments, because your entire worldview is founded on emotion and indoctrination.
You agree that defining terms is important to the argument - and then you get your definitions from ChatGPT? That’s ridiculous.
You’re just being pedantic. See, “being” is the present participle, you’ve mistakenly used the infinitive form of be which would require a modal such as will, can, would, could, etc.
Just kidding. Okay, so what’s your “real argument” and if you’re not a “liberal/progressive”, what are you?
Assuming your “real argument” is “the media is liberal” then we need two definitions to start: media and liberal. If you want to have that argument, get the definitions you want from the dictionary. Merriam-Webster or OED are fine, others might work, depending.
Ha! Prove it. Make your argument, your thesis statement, starting with a real definition, not some ChatGPT spew.
Hmm.