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Correlation does not equal causation. Being religious doesn't cause the belief that fapping is wrong. Being Christian causes it. Being Christian also causes being religious, but not the other way around. So it's a common cause leading to correlation, not an actual causal relationship. And it isn't a logical deduction either.
OP should have been studying philosophy instead of fapping, maybe then he wouldn't make logical mistakes which inadvertently erase the diversity of religious experiences.
I know you're all excited because you just understood the "correlation does not equal causation" principle, but "being religious" generally means being christian in english and I think you are just refusing to see that.
The only reason for that is the many genocides perpetrated against members of other religions. Especially in places like Australia and the Americas where Christians were bloodthirsty invaders. By equating the two, all you're doing is continuing the work of conquistadores and other murderous colonisers. It's factually wrong, but more importantly, it's morally wrong. There's no reason to act this disgracefully.
Europeans regularly killed other Europeans, who were Christian. The natives could have met them at the shore with a stack of bibles and the colonizers still would have slaughtered them.
It sounds like you're saying religious genocide doesn't matter because it would have happened anyway.
I'm saying it was European colonial genocide, religion was a secondary or tertiary motivation, and yes it would have happened anyway
I don't care about motivation or how a bunch of murderers felt, I care about the victims of genocide and the loss of massive religious diversity. Don't you care about that too? Or is the only thing that matters to you what the conquistadores "intended" while they were raping girls and destroying villages?
Really? This you?
Ah, I see the problem. You read me say "reason" and assumed I meant reason as in motivation, when I actually meant reason as in cause, because you have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader. Then you proceeded to derail this conversation with a pointless tangent about motivations that nobody else cares about.
Here, I'll give an educational example of the word reason as in cause: "The reason the beanstalk grew that night, was because Jack's mother threw the magic beans out the window into the garden."
See? Reason as in cause. You just can't read properly.
It's not a cause lmao. Europeans were going to violently colonize the Americas, Africa, and Australia whether they followed Jesus, Buddha, or no one at all. It's not like the Bible said "hey guys, those people over there don't have guns, and they've got lots of gold".
Gb2 r/atheism with your nonsense
And now you've completely lost track of the entire conversation.
The causal reason that people today use "religious" as shorthand for "Christian" is that the other religions in colonised continents were wiped out or reduced to a few members.
Argue against what I actually said instead of what you wish I said.
pee pee poo poo
You're confusing correlation does not equal causation with some other logical fallacy, and making a few others in the process. Probably denying the antecedent, but I can't be arsed to look up the specific one.
If you think Christianity is uniquely bad that's probably because you haven't learned enough about other religions.
Ok, which religion is masturbation positive though? Islam, Judaism, Buddism, ... ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_masturbation
This is a tiny fraction of the religions that sometimes or always allow masturbation. I'm not seeing any indigenous American, Australian, or Austronesian religions in this article.
TIL, thanks for the link and excerpt.
Thanks for keeping an open mind. A lot of people are taught from childhood that Abrahamism is representative of all religion, and they stick to that even when the truth is in front of their face. This state of affairs was manufactured, it didn't used to be like this. People used to be a lot more accepting of religions they didn't understand. In fact, before the Roman Empire, most people believed in the gods of every religion, and that was normal. And I can also assure you the ancient Greeks didn't have Christian reservations about sexual pleasure. They had their own set of rules, but it was a different set.
Looks at Zeus
Unitarian-Universalists don't have a problem at all with masturbation, and they encourage you to explore and accept your body. That sounds pretty masturbation positive to me!