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Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas out of Olympics after losing legal battle
(www.theguardian.com)
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So we cant compete if we have ever had testosterone in our blood, even though cis women also have blood testosterone and can undergo testosterone related hormonal puberty if they have certain conditions, and also we are not allowed to transition before the age of 16 which would mean we had undergone some measure of testosterone hormonal puberty. Also, the concept of "male puberty" is awfully ill-defined isnt it. Have cis women with PCOS gone through "male puberty" ? What specifically constitutes "male puberty"? What hormonal levels are necessary to qualify for "male puberty"? Can Cis men with hormonal deficiency disorders compete in womens sports? To what end does this ruling "protect women's sports"? This does nothing in a sport that has 1 single trans female athlete except specifically ban her from competing under some misguided notion of "fairness". I'd love to see them describe how excluding anyone is meant to protect anything, let alone fairness. When will height categories be instituted? When will we make wingspan brackets? How exactly is this competition meant to be fair to begin with?
So this is just a de facto ban on trans women participating in any sports under this organization. Nice. Just say that then. No woman is going to accept being forced to compete in a men's category, so all you have done is single out and exclude one group of women based on their status as transgender. Creating an "open" bracket does nothing either, as there are probably only 1 or 2 trans athletes who would be competing in this organization anyway.
In the womens side of things, yes. The mens side is still open, always has been. And they were very clear and open on that.
But she isn't a man, so whatever is happening on the mens side isn't fucking relevant, is it?
She isn't a man, but her body is at least partially male. That's the definition of trans.
Unfortunately, no amount of medical interventions are able to completely transform a person's body to be exactly the same as a person who was born with a body of the opposite sex.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
That article says there's no such thing as fully discreet categories of male and female. True!
So we either have to separate athletes into two separate categories of biological male and female that applies to 99% of people in order to give biological females a chance to compete at all, -OR- we have to say that since the biological male/female categorization system doesn't apply to 100% of people then there is no basis for separate male/female sports and everyone just competes in a single event, in which case the only people who get to be on the team will wind up being close to 100% cis or trans males, with essentially no females ever getting to do professional sports.
Yeah, I think this is something that people continously fail to realize, sports have been split by sex/gender so that sport events aren't dominated by one sex/gender. If you're drawing lines to protect one group you've opened up the can of worms about where that line is drawn.
You linked to an opinion piece by a transgender person, you should mention that.
There is a definite bias there, which is to be expected, but they have links to back up some of what they say.
Is this not like most competitions where the “men’s” category is actually “open” and there is just a separate women’s category?
Not touching the main debate, just curious about this one part.