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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 22 points 4 months ago

Giant strawman. Not everyone advocating for degrowth is a primitivist.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago
[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 27 points 4 months ago

AFAIK, anarcho-primitivism advocates for stopping anything they deem to be "civilizational technology". Live like the amish in the best case, do away with agriculture in the worst case.

Degrowth is a movement away from a growth-at-all-costs economy and towards one where production that benefits the majority of people.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Hum, I see.

So your comment does make sense, except on the part you claim it to be a straw man. You even know the name of the people it's criticizing...

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 months ago

The comic seems as if it's targeted at degrowthers.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I thought it was targeted at ecofascists who want the global south to stay poor because having clean water and malaria treatments is bad for the environment somehow.

Like there's a lot of people saying that China's ongoing industrialisation and raising the standard of living is bad. But China is actually implementing renewables much faster than the West did, so China's industrialization is not the same story. Now yes, there are problems with what China is doing. For example, as they transition away from coal they are selling their leftover coal to poorer and less advanced countries, and that's fucked. But this isn't a technological inevitability of industrialization, it's simply a policy failure. China is doing better than the West did, and China has the technological potential to be doing even better if their politicians so chose. So the fundamental assumptions of ecofascism are not true. China should be industrializing in a greener way, rather than remaining a production center for cheap plastic garbage the West uses, which is what ecofascists prefer.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

That's a lot of your own political convictions put into that reading. I don't see an ecofascist statement in the comic.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think green shirt's statement is a dogwhistle. I don't think someone advocating degrowth would have used the same words. As a supporter of degrowth myself, I don't think degrowth means the same thing as "reducing living standards". For example I don't own a car, and I'm happier riding a bike every day. Less growth increased my standard of living. I'm also vegan, and I rarely miss meat. I prefer the lack of guilt over the taste of meat. So I don't think my standard of living is any lower for having abandoned my reliance on animal subjugation and excessive land and water use. I don't think degrowth has to mean giving up the internet, or clean drinking water, or medicine, or many of the actual benefits of living in a developed nation.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah. IMHO, that means the strawman starts in the first panel.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think it's a strawman of degrowthers. I think green shirt is supposed to be an ecofascist. He's talking like an ecofascist, and being made fun of with the arguments that work on ecofascists.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

If we solve our problems by voluntary choices such as your own, I’m completely on board with that.

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