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I count 306 seats where Labour are 1st and the Conservatives 2nd, or Conservatives 1st and Labour 2nd.

In the other 326 seats, either the Lib Dems, Reform, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru or independents are a top two party. Where most voters live, the traditional Labour vs Conservative debate is no longer the relevant one.

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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this election proves we need two major changes:

  1. PR so everyone is equally represented whether we like them or not.

  2. Australian style mandatory voting. My betting is that a lot of people who would have voted labour this election stayed home because of how much the media showed it was on the bag for labour.

[–] blorp@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hahah, that is… well, terrifying.

While I don’t believe in disenfranchising people, how do you deal with the voters who are literally too dumb to understand the process…?

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just let them donkey vote. Who cares.

The point is almost everyone participates.

[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the latest general election there was a constituency decided by fifteen votes. And several decided by less than 100.

Terrifying to think an MP could be elected because their name was Aaron A Aaronson rather than their party or reputation or policies and some goobers just wanted to play at being a functional member of society…

With votes that close there's plenty of luck involved in other ways. The weather, tv schedule etcetera.

It's definitely a problem, but it's not preclusive.

The alternative is equally terrifying - just a third of voters being the majority in the brexit referendum is unconsciable.

[–] Tamo240@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Surely this can be solved by randomizing the order they appear on the ballot for each person? Then the impact would be negligable

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Two easy fixes, random orders on the ballots. Or the top option is always "None of the below".

[–] ian@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

That's not a PR thing. I vote PR with a single vote. So no donkey voting possible.

It might be possible with STV. Like in Ireland. It depends on the ballot form I guess.