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To be clear, I'm planning to vote against trump unless somehow biden gets replaced with someone worse than trump (~0% chance that happens, but still)
that said, I don't know a single person who's happy with biden or excited that he's the candidate, and frankly I doubt the sanity of anyone excited about him as much as I doubt bidens sanity (whereas with people voting for trump the insanity is crystal clear). I don't know for sure who would be better, kamala might be the best bet, but being able to get through a debate without gibberish word salad sentences should be an obvious requirement
It should be, but the time and place for it was in the primaries, not when you're up against another word salad candidate with a die hard rock solid base.
lmao what primary? the one where there were zero serious alternatives because everyone even suggesting candidates were yelled at for hElPiNg tRuMp simply by contesting biden?
And? If you can't win a primary, there's no way you'll win a general election. The dudes going against Biden lost hugely.
You didn't even read their comment before replying. This is a total non sequitur.
Isn't Kamala thoroughly disliked?
Less than Biden was, even before the debate, but only she gets described that way.
I'm surprised. So does she poll more favorably against Trump than Biden? Because if so then they should just pull the trigger on that one, this Biden shit is just one big oof.
Mixed bag. She has in some polls, but worse in others. A little hard to compare Biden to anyone else, as he's the actual nominee and has both made his case and had real attacks against him.
No one's going to get a sure thing, but I just don't see how Biden gets through this. He's rolling the dice every time he's in public, his follow ups have been largely scripted and just highlighted his worst personality traits, and he's had a lot of credible voices say he's done. And all that on top of already losing before the debate. He needed the debate to turn that around. A status quo result would have been bad, let alone this shit show.
Checking out some videos of Biden's worst moments and I just feel bad. It's starting to feel like goddamn elder abuse to have him as the candidate.
Yeah, but not to the same level as biden for people who are on the fence between biden and trump.
I would've imagined he was much more disliked amongst fence sitters. Not just her policies but superficial reasons such as her being a black woman sure doesn't help. Being a woman alone might be too much for some of them.
The point is that is a fine viewpoint to have, but to loudly just bemoan problem rather than proposing the preferred alternative is hardly useful. It has all the downsides of undermining the still presumptive candidate without any concrete hint of building up an alternative.
This is the problem with Leftists. Y'all censor or cancel anyone with opposing viewpoints, and then you get trapped by your own bubble and confused by how it doesn't jive with reality, so you make up conspiracy theories to explain the difference.
Do you know anyone excited about biden?
Yeah, I know several. But they're poor, Black, and Southern, so you'd never associate with them.
Why are they excited about him?
Honestly a huge part of it was the "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black!" yeah I know the yuppies got all offended but the reaction I saw among poor Black people was more like hell yeah, tell it like it is.
Biden has a Black VP. He was the VP to a Black man - someone who looks like a caricature of an old racist white man willingly put himself subservient to a Black man and actually seemed happy about it.
They don't really know his policies, though they know about Obamacare, the infrastructure bill, and the IRA. They don't care about Israel or Palestine. They don't care about student loans. They know he speaks out against racism. They are a little uncomfortable with how he speaks favorably about "the gays" but they'll let that slide.
They know whenever a Republican bastard does some Republican bastard shit, Biden is there fighting against it.
They know that when Kamala blasted him for opposing school bussing decades ago, he said he was wrong for it and apologized.
They see a man who fundamentally wants what's best for them.
Gotcha, thanks for the perspective