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[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 4 months ago

If you're going to pressure an incumbent into dropping out you can't lead with "we'll figure out who the nominee is who can beat Trump eventually". You come to the board with a game plan and evidence. Calling for him to step down is fucking sabotage without all of that.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

There's a Catch-22 here. Anyone who announces they're willing becomes persona non grata and nonviable, for stabbing the current candidate in the back before he's stepped down. But why would he step down if he can only be pressured if viable candidates have announced against him?

Which is why Harris, unfortunately, is most likely to nab the nomination. She's in just the right position to imply that she's ready to step up without saying anything that would lead to her being seen as 'not a team player' and troublesome for the party.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 6 points 4 months ago

Anyone who announces they’re willing becomes persona non grata and nonviable, for stabbing the current candidate in the back before he’s stepped down.

None of this should have been done in public. Democrats calling for Biden to step down 1 day after the debate are idiots. This is internal party politics and while it would have leaked, it wouldn't have been democrats blasting their own party leader in public. They should have figured out who was the most popular, got a backup, got their support, and then went to Biden's campaign with their evidence. Then if he refused to step down, they maybe could do so in public. Or just wait for the pundits to trash Biden on their own instead of adding to it.

Division this late is the game is damning. Also Democrats are fair-weather supporters to a T. 1 bad debate and they throw the sitting POTUS under the bus? Yeah he looked old and made mistakes. But he isn't a fucking fascist. It's just unbelievable when Trump has been shitting the bed 24/7 for years.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

The problem is there have been rumors of this kind of backdoor objection going on for a while now. I dismissed them as gossip at the time, but now that Congress members have gone public, I'm more inclined to believe them. These members going public, including a Senator, sounds much more like desperation after exhausting the quiet options.

It’s just unbelievable when Trump has been shitting the bed 24/7 for years.

It is deeply unfair that the Democratic presidential candidate must show exceptional performance, while the fascist presidential candidate can skate by shitting his pants and demanding his followers shit themselves in solidarity, but we're appealing to two different demographics.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think you're looking at this all wrong. All data points to an inevitable Biden loss. Once you accept that, then the question of the alternative almost doesn't matter.

The problem is that you cannot in good conscience say that an 81-year-old with THAT debate performance is truly the best Democrats have to muster. If true, then that's fucking sad.

Now, I've written many write-ups, and now data supports it, showing that any alternative including Harris would fair better. Win? Not necessarily. But have a better chance? Absofuckinglutely.

  • A Harris path is better.
  • An open convention is to me even better with solid reasons for why, if you're interested.
this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2024
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