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We recently received a message from a concerned Rammy user regarding their instance not having an active admin team.

We have made attempts to contact the Rammy admins, which other instance admins have tried as well, to determine their current status. Due to their admins being absent and their unmoderated content growing in numbers, we will defederate from Rammy. If and when this situation changes, we will be happy to reevaluate our approach. It should be noted that any instances that have abandoned admin teams will be defederated.

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[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago

how does that work - I mean, who's paying the bills for the instance if it's unmoderated? weird

[-] neuromancer@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

Probably a self-hosted server.

[-] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

What's that? It's on somebody's property. Someone is paying for power, connectivity, and air conditioning.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago

The host is on vacation and has no backup admin.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 64 points 1 year ago

Damn, not sure if this is a joke or speculation, but imagine the shit storm they're gonna come back to. I kinda feel bad for them if they didn't intend for this to happen and the cleanup they'll have to do, but at the same time, they kinda shoulda made sure they had a backup, or at least closed sign-ups while they were gone (assuming it wasn't a medical emergency).

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago

They could be in the hospital or anything if there's only one.

Definitely a nightmare to come back if that's the case.

[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Brings back bad memories of so much work on Ark being undone by griefers...

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Speculation, I have no idea what they can up be to

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 41 points 1 year ago

I host my instance in my house on my old PC. I'm going to pay my power bill either way. It actually autopays. So if I had a medical emergency and couldn't do my admin duties, my instance would keep on going for a very long time.

I don't have any users on my instance other than me, so I don't need to worry about this specific thing. But paying the miniscule amount of power that my server consumes would be trivial.

[-] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

What's the benefit of running your own instance?

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As someone who hosts a small instance, nothing massive....

Honestly, nothing.

The only benefit I get- is full control over weather my instance is up or two. I know for absolute certain that my instance isn't going to randomly shutdown, and not come back online.

I also have the benefit of having a lot of control over how fast my instance is, and performance optimizations as needed to make it perform as I would like. As such, for me, the performance is outstanding.

With that said,

Basically everything else is downsides.

Having to proactively moderate content originating from your server, is a drag. The moderation tools in Lemmy are absolute dog-shit. Your only option here is to use either 3rd party tools (lemmy-helper), or to just run database queries.

PictRS just keeps growing and growing. pictures gets synced to every instance, and those take up room. Lots of room. PictRS has even less moderation tools then lemmy. If you want to make sure your user aren't uploading illicit/illegal content, is a major pain in the ass. My solution was to run a few scripts to fetch all of the content, and just run it through some AI scanning software to attempt to detect bad content. But, still, a pain in the ass.

Those attacks you read about here on lemmy world. Those happen to our smaller instances too. Every time you hear @ruud@lemmy.world doing an update here- we are also working on plans for updating the instance. Granted- my small user base makes these upgrades much easier and faster. But- we will have to do these updates. (At least on the plus side, my instances isn't constantly under a DOS attack, due to a disgruntled member, or due to a pissed off instance which was defederated)

And, lastly, one downside of lemmy- things don't really go away or get cleaned up. Your database and storage will continue to grow and grow, and grow. Again, to restate, There are basically no moderation or administration tools included with lemmy. You can see reports. You can ban users. And, you can delete posts. Thats about it.

There isn't an easy way to even list users, comments, posts, or activity happening on your instances.... through lemmy itself.

On top of those other issues, lemmy is very chatty, network wise.

Here are the incoming stats, from my "small" instance.

In terms of outgoing, it's very chatty there too. You will find all sorts of weird and random outbound DNS records.

tldr; Its prob not worth hosting your own instance, unless you just really like playing around with infrastructure, networking, databases, and digging through application issues.

Personally though- I enjoy the challenge, and that is one reason I keep doing it.

[-] SpacePace@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your insight, that was really cool to read about

[-] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

good comment, appreciate the insights. This actually shows how much more work has to be done to let Lemmy scale safely...

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 1 year ago

There are third party solutions which helps a bit.

For example, Lemmy-helper from RocketDerp. https://github.com/RocketDerp/lemmy_helper

But, I'd imagine with this recent growth, its only a matter of time before better administration and moderation tools start appearing in the native GUI.

[-] fabian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who has done similar things professionally, I am not envious.

Is /c/bestof a thing yet?

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 1 points 1 year ago

I am sure it exists somewhere. If not, you can always make it!

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[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 27 points 1 year ago

I don't need to worry about the instance going down due to attacks, because no one is going to spend their time attacking an instance with one person. They want to attack an instance with everyone.

I also don't need to worry about defederation drama. If I'm not subscribed to any communities on those problem instances, I don't even see the problem, and my server doesn't rehost those problems. I was originally on lemmy.world, and then Beehaw defederate with lemmy.world. But I wanted to see Beehaw's content. Now I can see both. No one is going to defederate with me because no one on my instance (literally just me) is doing anything that would get us defederated.

I also don't need to wait for my instance to update to get new features. I literally just update my instance as soon it gets posted to Docker Hub.

I also just find it fun to host my own! I already had my domain name and wasn't using it for anything. I already had a server ready to go. So why not?

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 year ago

You may still get content from problem posters from those instances coming via other instances that have federated with them. I make some tools for small Lemmy instances, and while I haven't posted this one yet, Lemmy Defederation Sync might be a good one for you: https://github.com/fmstrat/lds. LCS and LPP are there, too.

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 3 points 1 year ago

I guess I worry about when it happens. I haven't seen anything like that yet, so I see no point in doing anything about it.

[-] bilb@lem.monster 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my case, the major upside is that I make federation choices, not someone else. I prefer to be as openly federated as possible.

[-] b1ab@lem.monster 8 points 1 year ago

Hi bilb, this is blab. I just wanted to say thank you for your approach. You run a wonderful server.

[-] bilb@lem.monster 1 points 1 year ago

I appreciate that. Always great to hear from you, blab!

[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Somebody might be getting a nasty AWS bill at the end of the month.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Huh, don’t know what that was about. Edited.

[-] reverendsteveii@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Ok but it could be a raspberry pi chilling in someone's house using utilities they already pay for anyway.

[-] neuromancer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, but if someone already has the server running, starting another virtual server isn't going to cost them much.

It's not like it's a physical server, just running that single service.

[-] ultimate_question@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I imagine a lot of people have jobs where it would be trivial to set something like this up on company resources under the radar and then lose access / get laid off without the company ever knowing it's running

[-] rog@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago

This is pretty unlikely. Any competent IT department would notice an externally facing project.

I think its more likely that its on a vps or something and they just paid for like a year upfront.

[-] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. It's very likely. Not every company is run like a FAANG company with everything under a microscope. At your average company, it's extremely common for individual teams to just have their own cloud service accounts for internal team use, not as tightly controlled as a company's production cloud services account. I'd argue most of them are very loosely managed by a single person, letting said person do pretty much whatever they want.

And if those accounts have thousands of dollars in AWS credit or something, this could run under the radar for up to 6 months uninterrupted, depending on when the credits expire. Most credits are handed out for free from the cloud service provider with no cost auditing or anything of the like.

I'm in a position where I could do this myself at work with very low risk of getting caught. I just have no interest in doing so, and I'd rather not be fired if I did get caught. But it's definitely possible.

[-] rog@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Possible does not equate to likely. Its a pretty ridiculous scenario to assume when its much more reasonable to suspect that its just being hosted on a stable system and paid in advanced.

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[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That didn't answer the question at all lol

[-] antik@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think they mean it's just running on someone's homelab. So there is no real monthly billing.

Edit: so the IP belongs to contabo.com hosting. They provide cheap vps instances with 4 cores, 8gb ram, 50gb nvme and 32tb of monthly traffic which is plenty to start hosting a Lemmy instance. Could be they paid for a year and went on holiday or something like that. Who knows

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[-] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 27 points 1 year ago

Maybe it's not actually abandoned. Just providing plausible deniability that way.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It's running an older version of Lemmy, so it's not being updated.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's not necessarily super expensive for someone who wants to host an instance, whether it's at home or via server providers. Hosting a GOOD and high-traffic instance might cost more but still any nerd with disposable income can do it if they want.

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