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We recently received a message from a concerned Rammy user regarding their instance not having an active admin team.

We have made attempts to contact the Rammy admins, which other instance admins have tried as well, to determine their current status. Due to their admins being absent and their unmoderated content growing in numbers, we will defederate from Rammy. If and when this situation changes, we will be happy to reevaluate our approach. It should be noted that any instances that have abandoned admin teams will be defederated.

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[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago

how does that work - I mean, who's paying the bills for the instance if it's unmoderated? weird

[-] neuromancer@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

Probably a self-hosted server.

[-] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

What's that? It's on somebody's property. Someone is paying for power, connectivity, and air conditioning.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago

The host is on vacation and has no backup admin.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 64 points 1 year ago

Damn, not sure if this is a joke or speculation, but imagine the shit storm they're gonna come back to. I kinda feel bad for them if they didn't intend for this to happen and the cleanup they'll have to do, but at the same time, they kinda shoulda made sure they had a backup, or at least closed sign-ups while they were gone (assuming it wasn't a medical emergency).

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago

They could be in the hospital or anything if there's only one.

Definitely a nightmare to come back if that's the case.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Speculation, I have no idea what they can up be to

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 41 points 1 year ago

I host my instance in my house on my old PC. I'm going to pay my power bill either way. It actually autopays. So if I had a medical emergency and couldn't do my admin duties, my instance would keep on going for a very long time.

I don't have any users on my instance other than me, so I don't need to worry about this specific thing. But paying the miniscule amount of power that my server consumes would be trivial.

[-] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

What's the benefit of running your own instance?

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As someone who hosts a small instance, nothing massive....

Honestly, nothing.

The only benefit I get- is full control over weather my instance is up or two. I know for absolute certain that my instance isn't going to randomly shutdown, and not come back online.

I also have the benefit of having a lot of control over how fast my instance is, and performance optimizations as needed to make it perform as I would like. As such, for me, the performance is outstanding.

With that said,

Basically everything else is downsides.

Having to proactively moderate content originating from your server, is a drag. The moderation tools in Lemmy are absolute dog-shit. Your only option here is to use either 3rd party tools (lemmy-helper), or to just run database queries.

PictRS just keeps growing and growing. pictures gets synced to every instance, and those take up room. Lots of room. PictRS has even less moderation tools then lemmy. If you want to make sure your user aren't uploading illicit/illegal content, is a major pain in the ass. My solution was to run a few scripts to fetch all of the content, and just run it through some AI scanning software to attempt to detect bad content. But, still, a pain in the ass.

Those attacks you read about here on lemmy world. Those happen to our smaller instances too. Every time you hear @ruud@lemmy.world doing an update here- we are also working on plans for updating the instance. Granted- my small user base makes these upgrades much easier and faster. But- we will have to do these updates. (At least on the plus side, my instances isn't constantly under a DOS attack, due to a disgruntled member, or due to a pissed off instance which was defederated)

And, lastly, one downside of lemmy- things don't really go away or get cleaned up. Your database and storage will continue to grow and grow, and grow. Again, to restate, There are basically no moderation or administration tools included with lemmy. You can see reports. You can ban users. And, you can delete posts. Thats about it.

There isn't an easy way to even list users, comments, posts, or activity happening on your instances.... through lemmy itself.

On top of those other issues, lemmy is very chatty, network wise.

Here are the incoming stats, from my "small" instance.

In terms of outgoing, it's very chatty there too. You will find all sorts of weird and random outbound DNS records.

tldr; Its prob not worth hosting your own instance, unless you just really like playing around with infrastructure, networking, databases, and digging through application issues.

Personally though- I enjoy the challenge, and that is one reason I keep doing it.

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[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 27 points 1 year ago

I don't need to worry about the instance going down due to attacks, because no one is going to spend their time attacking an instance with one person. They want to attack an instance with everyone.

I also don't need to worry about defederation drama. If I'm not subscribed to any communities on those problem instances, I don't even see the problem, and my server doesn't rehost those problems. I was originally on lemmy.world, and then Beehaw defederate with lemmy.world. But I wanted to see Beehaw's content. Now I can see both. No one is going to defederate with me because no one on my instance (literally just me) is doing anything that would get us defederated.

I also don't need to wait for my instance to update to get new features. I literally just update my instance as soon it gets posted to Docker Hub.

I also just find it fun to host my own! I already had my domain name and wasn't using it for anything. I already had a server ready to go. So why not?

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[-] bilb@lem.monster 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my case, the major upside is that I make federation choices, not someone else. I prefer to be as openly federated as possible.

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[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Somebody might be getting a nasty AWS bill at the end of the month.

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[-] reverendsteveii@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Ok but it could be a raspberry pi chilling in someone's house using utilities they already pay for anyway.

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[-] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 27 points 1 year ago

Maybe it's not actually abandoned. Just providing plausible deniability that way.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It's running an older version of Lemmy, so it's not being updated.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's not necessarily super expensive for someone who wants to host an instance, whether it's at home or via server providers. Hosting a GOOD and high-traffic instance might cost more but still any nerd with disposable income can do it if they want.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago

that instance is full to the brim of crazies who have lost all grip on reality. they feel nothing but hate

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[-] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 year ago

It got really bad just over the past two days. I'm not sure if it's a raid from some right wing troll farm, or what it is. Defederation makes things easy though

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 42 points 1 year ago

Thank you for the update, seems like a reasonable approach

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Unfortunate but very much necessary to stop the spread of their hatred. This is why it's important to have a team of admins, so that it's less likely that the person running the server doesn't just disappear one day and they can continue maintaining it even if the main person isn't there. Maybe if you're an individual instance you can't afford to hire a team of people, but you could get a group of friends together and have all of you work together to run it, think of it like a group passion project it's important to make sure that something like this doesn't end up abandoned otherwise it can cause problems for others if people start abusing it.

I know a lot of people are in doubt about how bad it is, but I went there and I looked at it and it's honestly terrible worse than the Donald on Reddit (if anyone can remember that) we don't want to rehost that kind of stuff on this server, we don't want to be associated with those kinds of people, it's not worth it. They can still have their free speech on their platform, just not on our server and we don't have to put up with it.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Yes they can keep their hate on their own instances but they are not welcome in our house. Keep reporting these extremists wether they are right of left wing - because it's a never-ending fight.

[-] nieceandtows@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago

It’s interesting that they have their own instance, but can’t stand the fact that they got defederated, and have to keep finding ways to get that sweet attention they crave.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

That's why it is important that everyone keeps reporting these things.

[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Question here. If a user suscribed to world wants to keep seing content from that instance, cant he just suscribe to some subs over there? I'm still trying to figure that part out. I'm on ml but can see some content from world.

[-] elscallr@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

No, you will not see content from Rammy on LW. If you want to interact with both you'll need to have an account on an instance that federates both. I'm sure there are some out there, and if not starting your own is an option.

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[-] Album@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

As a user of lemmy.ml you don't have to worry about what Lemmy.world defederates from. You'll still see Lemmy.World content and lemmy.ml will pull directly from other instances on its own

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That's not what they asked though.

The question wasn't that self-centered, it was asking if a user from an instance that defederated from another instance could still access content from the defederated instance through a direct manual subscription.

[-] amenotef@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Fair enough!

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Never even heard of it, but good looking out!

[-] ougi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
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