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Outrage after French MP says Israelis 'not welcome' at Olympics
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Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.
Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn't mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn't being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn't mean being Jewish.
But the leaders of Israel would love us all to conflate the two, and always encourage it.
And a good portion of the community is enforcing that definition. I'm not sure they realize the extent to which that will open up a can of worms. For more than a decade Zionism was distinctly considered an extremist ideology that should not in Amy way be confused with Juedaism. It's like saying Opus Dei represents the catholic people. It's just a terrible propaganda move on so many levels.
It's amazing that people question being an anti-zionist. It's a straight-up fascist ideal. That should be the default setting of human beings.
It's basically a giant Venn diagram. You can be one of these things, you can be a combination of them, you can be all three of them, and you can be none of them.
It used to mean negativity toward people/nations of Semetic languages. The morpheme 'semite' is outdated and no longer used for that group of languages either. All in all, it's weird the word is still used and the context it's used in is even weirder.
When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.
Also common to create a subset of Jews that it's acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn't normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate "Cosmopolitan Jews" so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.
Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate "Zionist Jews." And now people that hate "Zionist Jews" are denying that antisemitism exists.
We've seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.
It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.
Even if you don't care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it's considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn't really helping anyone.
Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling "antisemitism" is just "criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel".
Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.
What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren't welcome in France? They are there and he's saying "they aren't welcome here." What is his goal?
Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?
Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he's the "real victim" because someone criticizes his remarks.
Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how "National Socialism" became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Near enough, yes. They are representatives of the government.
Now you're nearing schizoid levels of paranoia. Take your meds, bro
Sure they represent their country, but they aren't government officials. You seem to be blurring the lines between government and country in a way that indicates that you don't simply hate the actions of the Israeli government, you actually hate Israel the country. The next step down that path is to hate all Israelis.
Not a good path to be going down.
Trivializing mental illness. Classy!
It is odd that this particular war is considered by many to be a leftist cause isn't it? A war that started when Hamas (a fascist regime) brutally murdered people living in Kibutzes (socialist communes). It's odd for leftists to to the side of fascists in this this one case and while normally being on the other side in other cases.
You might not want to admit that leftists have issues with antisemitism, but you can't control how others see leftism. Personally I think it keeps popping up because of the old "greedy capitist jew" stereotype which creates an association between Jew and Captialists. This makes leftists predisposed towards antisemitism.
Being in denial of these kinds of things means you'll never look at it head on. This hurts your ability to communicate your message on anything (whether it be leftism or Palestinian causes) because you'll always be blindsided when people say "hold up, that seems a little racist to me" which devolves into you say "no it's not" and derogatory insinuations about mental illness and such.
People will rightfully turn away from those espousing hateful rhetoric. If you can't be bothered to put any effort into learning why some rhetoric is hateful, you will be have no influence on people that oppose hate speech and you won't even know why.
This war didn't started where you want to put the post. This war has been going on since decades ago, even a century (Zionists where bombing Palestine when it was still under British rule).
If you find right putting the post on October 7th anyone else could put the post on October 8th and claim nothing happened before then. And it would be cheating too.
Again, take your fucking meds.
In any case, here's me literally saying "hold up, that seems a little racist to me", dumbfuck: https://lemmy.world/comment/11429859
It's possible to criticize Israel and not be racist.
Can people defending genocide hear how they sound as they defend murdering mostly children in the most gruesome of ways?
That's what you are doing.
Dude is defending an active ongoing genocide, but sure, he's the real victim because the government he supports (that actively tries to conflate nationality / race / and religion) is murdering children in the hundreds of thousands.
I'm saying Israeli athletes are people in a conversation where people are claiming that everything is labeled as antisemitism.
And now I'm getting labelled as being pro-genocide for doing that.
You're getting labelled pro genocide because you are, as demonstrated by your other comments.
Joe Biden has been labelled as pro-genocide by internet lunatics too. So at least I'm in good company.
Are you labeling everyone pro-genocide as pro-genocide in an effort to normalize genocide? So what Hamas did on October 7 will seem like a normal thing to everyone? Like what is your goal here?
I'm calling people justifying genocide as being pro-genocide.
Joe Biden single handedly could stop this genocide and is choosing not to. At the very least, that makes him complicit.
How do you feel about October 7? Was that genocide?
No. It wasn't. It was a extremely bad assault that hit civilians. Or, whatever words you want me to use to describe a horrible thing that was wrong to do. But words have meaning. And describing all bad things generically as genocide cheapens that word.
Now, before you feel self righteous and start issuing the claim of antisemitism you so transparently want to claim, I want you to think about something. Actually think about it, too, before answering.
Can Hamas commit genocide against Israel, and if so, how? I'm obviously not asking about it they are capable of the desire. I'm specifically asking if it could happen, how would it be done? Do you think Hamas, a military force of some 25,000 fighters before the war, with no air force, and nothing other than light weapons and rudimentary rockets could commit genocide against a first world nation? How would they achieve that process with those resources?
I've actually answered your questions in good faith. Are you actually capable of the same?
5 hours later... Nope. SpaceCowboy probably just rolled their eyes and continued jerking off to 15,000 dead children thinking it's a smaller number than 12.
Are Russian athletes government officials now?
Ups!
Zionism is far right. It's Nazis again but changing "Aryans" to "Jews". That's it. There the "lebensraum" but this time is Middle East and not Central Europe. There's a group seen as "untermenschen" but instead of Jews now it's Palestinians. There's a personality cult. And they are following the propaganda points from Goebbels to the T.
And NO, it's not "the Jews". It's only a part. Just like MAGA is not all US citizens.
I don't like genocidaires.
Never again actually meant something for me.