Study finds medical students disproportionately come from affluent backgrounds (www.mprnews.org)

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[-] girl@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

I know it’s beneficial to have studies confirm common sense thinking, because sometimes common sense is wrong, but goddamn if this ain’t some “breaking news, water is wet” shit

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_scientists_%28meme%29?wprov=sfla1

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

This is a wonderful meme, thanks for sharing.

[-] TheTurducken@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

"breaking news, water is wet"

Ric Romero is on the job!

[+] twisted28@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] girl@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Why do you feel the need to put words in my mouth? Wealth inequality is fucked and it’s worldwide and I can’t fix it. I’m already anti capitalist but there are other injustices that fuel my rage, I only have so much rage to spend before I get exhausted.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This isn't corruption. I'll edit/repeat what I said in another comment: These studies, although obvious, are necessary because it's the first step in figuring out where the best places to target are in order to change it. It's basically breaking it down into smaller parts so that people can fix it. It's step 1 as well as a "stop and re-evaluate" step. Tackling something this big takes monumental effort by both big and small players and you are basically fighting capital the entire way. It's tactics. Chances are, this researcher will then go on to publish possible avenues to solving this but they're never as big headlines.

I had trouble with understanding this with my own writing, but my supervisor said even though it's obvious, someone has to literally compile and say it. It's good to have checks on these things, though.

[-] whatupwiththat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Necessary to WHOM? EL5 it for me

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you want to fix the problem, you need to understand its causes and its effects. Studies like this look for the causes to target and who is most affected so that the medical community can take action to fix those internal things. By understanding the root causes, educators, policymakers, and medical institutions can develop more inclusive policies and programs. Such interventions could include financial assistance, mentorship programs, and community outreach to ensure that aspiring doctors from all walks of life have equal opportunities.

Not only do these studies look at this, but they also look at the effects that it has on treatment so that doctors etc. can tackle their own biases. This is not just about equal representation; it's about ensuring that our future doctors are diverse in their experiences and perspectives, which can lead to better patient care and more innovative solutions in healthcare.

Practically speaking, this study also provides the necessary sound background so that these medicinal and interested bodies can get funding (they will have to propose their spending and methodology on applications) and have sound understanding and backing to go after this problem provided that they have the necessary tools (including capital) to do so. It's collating what we already know and testing it to make sure that they are doing the best job they can.

Science is dreadfully slow and progress happens when these ideas get cemented so people can just move on rather than just skirting around the actual issues at different angles. We tend to take it for granted because we see it in so many repeated experiences in daily life, but sometimes this blinds us too to parts that desperately need to be addressed. It can also be dangerous to rush these things as well, and people will get left behind or hurt by assumptions!

For these authors, it looks like they are interested in taking this towards university settings and admissions. Others will use this application to bolster their own applications to tackle this at different angles/regions.

When I see obvious titles like this, my first question is: Where are they taking this? These studies are always the start of something, not the end. It's basically doing background research and building your team before making your proposal for solutions.

Edit: Don't down vote people asking important questions or for clarification. You were them once.

[-] ReMikeAble@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Had to check if this was an Onion article!

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Everyone else got priced out of the competition.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s all working by design. Workers have neither the time nor the resources to supplement abysmal public education made worse by systematic austerity-driven defunding and the consequences of redlining. Poorer educational outcomes result in lower test scores and fewer opportunities.

For the few that manage to somehow claw their way out of the mire a massive tax in the form of student loans awaits… if the pesky poors have the audacity to pursue education as a means of bettering their material conditions.

None of these issues impact, nor are any concern of, the rich, who have by now picked the carcass of the American working class clean and are getting started on making broth from the bones.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It sounds like the system is working as designed. You can't just let poor people come along and steal your job.

[+] Swim@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago

holy shit what a waste of time, who authorized this shit

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

These studies, although obvious, are necessary because it's the first step in figuring out where the best places to target are in order to change it. It's basically breaking it down into smaller parts so that people can fix it.

[+] Swim@lemmy.ca -15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

did we need this study to know its one of the most expensive educations you can get and that only the wealthy can afford ? quit yo shit fool

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

Limited budgets require you to do this rather than throw mud at the fan and hope for progress. It is how the process works and journalism like this never does it justice. What this headline says should actually be "we are terrible gatekeepers, so how can we, as medicine, help fix it." This is not for the capital owner side. This is for equity and accessibility.

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Yes. There’s what you know and then there’s what you can prove. This provides the latter.

[-] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Makes a dumb statement

Has his argument soundly and politely shut down

Doubles down on dumb

🎵 It's a tale as old as time 🎵

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh, I can understand the anger, but it's inherently reactionary and comes from ignorance rather than a bad place. Science likes to put up a nice facade of how it works. A lot of ECRs, myself included, go into a bit of shock at first during a PhD. It's a lot of drudgery, data sorting, and paperwork. My field isn't medicine but the skillset for reading into pop science and terrible admin written press releases from unis is cross-disciplinary haha.

[-] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems like a good read on the situation.You seem like a very nice person (zero sarcasm intended). I admire your patience, and I feel a bit ashamed of my original snarky comment directed at that guy

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I laughed, anyway. The devil still dances on my shoulder.

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