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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Like China, our struggle sessions will purify The Party and bring unity to our socialist utopia"

Also, isn't Beehaw like, a bunch of fuckin' hippies? Like the kind of people you'd have to be insane to call fascists?

[-] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 1 year ago

Hexbear users are pretty stupid because they almost exclusively alienate would-be supporters, or at least close allies.

They fundamentally cannot see the difference between any non-communist liberals (left) and fascism.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

Liberals? Fascists. Social democrats? Fascists. Democratic socialists? Fascists. Anarcho-communists? Fascists.

[-] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago

Communists?

Believe it or not, also fascists.

[-] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Funnily enough this one is far more correct than the others.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

They just believe anyone who isn't with them is against them. It's a common human failing.

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[-] Matthew@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago

Tankies have an incredibly black and white view of the world. Anyone that isn't with them is a fascist. It's also why they can't accept that their favorite authoritarians have practiced imperialism, oppression of minority groups, and lots of killing. "Stalin believed in the same economic policy that I do, so therefore he never did a bad thing."

[-] flying_monkies@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Like the kind of people you'd have to be insane to call fascists?

Well, it is Hexbear...

[-] faintbeep@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Also, isn’t Beehaw like, a bunch of fuckin’ hippies? Like the kind of people you’d have to be insane to call fascists?

There's actually a growing problem of far right rhetoric and conspiracism in hippy circles. The guardian wrote about it recently https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/17/eva-wiseman-conspirituality-the-dark-side-of-wellness-how-it-all-got-so-toxic

[-] glassware@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's always been a connection. The German Lebensreform movement on the one hand influenced the hippy movement in the US through a back-to-nature philosophy, while on the other hand evolved into the blood and soil philosophy of the Nazi party. Occultism was also popular in the Nazi party, and Odinist paganism is very popular with European neo-Nazis.

The modern spiritual movement is made up of middle class women who believe in the divine feminine creating the gift of life, children which they need to protect from vaccines which cause autism and perverts who want to sexualise them. It's not a long road from there to being an anti-LGBT trad wife who believes in QAnon.

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[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Shit like this is why I don't get (some of) the LGBTQ community's fascination with communism and tankies.

They have proven themselves just as anti-LGBTQ as the fascists.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

communism and tankies

pick one, because they are not interchangeable.
One is antithetical to authoritarianism, and the other seeks nothing but.
There is plenty of good reason for LGBTQ+ folks to be attracted to communism.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anarcho-communism is antithetical to authoritarianism. But the use of the word today is nearly synonymous with Lenin’s or Bolshevik’s communism (and their further variations by multiple future parties, like Mao-communism), because this was the only flavor that actually existed as ideology in countries where communist parties were/are in power.

You my run with your own definition of communism being of a particular flavor, but you will always face people that do not understand you, because the common definition is not that.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

The tankies scream real loud that they're communist. So it's pretty easy to get confused.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Absolutely true.

There are, however, for some unfathomable reason, queer tankies. That, I do not understand.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago

Think of it this way - you're a queer person who has struggled most of your life to feel safe and accepted. Then you meet a community that tells you all transphobes get the firing squad. Suddenly you feel safe, accepted, and like you matter. That emotional contrast is veryy appealing and addicting.

Nevermind that in real life, if you were putting people to the firing squads for as little as saying "neopronouns are stupid" will actually just make the majority of people fear and hate the queer community in the long run.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

and also in real life the soviet union regularly executed queers

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago

Same type of people as Log Cabin Republicans

[-] odium@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

There were also Jews for Hitler.

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[-] Draconic_NEO@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Hexbears say that anyone who's against them are fascists so I'm not really surprised.

[-] aport@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago

They are so desperate for validations they've managed to twist this into evidence of communism as a superior ideology.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

It's hard to argue that communism as imagined by the tankies is better in any way than the souless capitalism that we all suffer under. However, real communism as imagined by Marx (but not Lenin) is vastly superior.

See, Marx saw the workers owning the means of production on a local scale. The example being factory workers owning the factory they worked in. Workers would directly profit from their own labor.

Lenin envisioned the State owning the means of production. Workers would work for the good of the State, or else.

Marx postulated that economies followed a sort of progression, feudalism led to capitalism, which in turn led to communism.

Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work in neat, linear progressions.

Marx imagined a utopia, and Lenin, in an attempt to create something like it, reinvented feudalism with different masters. Which is not surprising, as Russia was still living under feudalism when Lenin was born.


My prediction for the future of government is as follows; as the climate crisis and automation crisis progress, there will be four types of government.

The first are failed states. They will have lost the climate roulette. Their populations are either fled or dead.

The second are puppet states. These will exist mostly for resource extraction. Their populations will still exist, but many will have fled or died. The rest will toil in resource extraction to feed the last two categories.

The penultimate is the fascist police state. China and Russia are well on their way to this outcome, and the US is actively flirting with it. This is the end game of capitalism. A new feudalism where the serfs are disposable and interchangeable, instead of tied to the land and part of an inheritance. The only saving grace is that fascism always leads to an unstable mess of a government that almost inevitably crashes and burns when the strongman dictator dies.

The final category is the automated utopia. Automation takes off fast enough to put everyone out of work, and the governments realize that money is just something we made up and decides to just let anyone have whatever they want (within reason) because it takes no human effort to produce anything.

The automated utopia is a dream, I hope it happens. It would look sort of like a cross between Marx's dream of communism and UBI with no strings attached.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Didn't they do exactly what Beehaw is considering? Their "survival" so far has been mostly in isolation, but now that they've refederated they act like they were here the whole time.

[-] HipPriest@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

I respect Beehaw for striving against all the odds to make a non-toxic space for their users on the internet. They do come across like the the summer of 67 of the Fedi.

That said the communities I've subscribed to are large but the conversations aren't that vibrant.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

The admins are certainly toxic though. Any criticism of them whatsoever results in an immediate ban.

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[-] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

dialectical perspective

Fuckin lol

[-] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Every bloody time I see the word "dialectical" or "dialectic" or any of its other forms I get annoyed because I go look up the definition and stare at it for 10 minutes and STILL aren't sure what the fuck it means.

Seriously people LOOK at this hot mess.

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[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally I don't really care. Beehaw's shit and the mods spend more time chatting on discord than actually modding their instance.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

and the mods spend more time chatting on discord than actually modding their instance.

Lmao well said.

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