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[-] Substance_P@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago

he lost me at this quote - "I'll feel, as long as I gave it my all, and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, that's what this is about,"

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

If it's a good enough attitude for kindergartners' soccer games, it's a good enough attitude for fighting fascism.

[-] halferect@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

And after he did his goodest job we can give him orange slices and a trip to pizza hut

[-] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

"Look, people don't want him to run for president, but he can win despite that."

[-] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk -3 points 3 months ago

Politics is full of people that won elections against all odds.

[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And more full of people who lost miserably against some odds, and lost exactly as expected. Biden's ego and denial (probably due to some close advisors) is on the verge of pulling an RBG right now, but it's going to cost much more than Roe this time.

[-] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 1 points 3 months ago

I hate to have to say it, but I was being sarcastic. Elections aren't won against the odds.

[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Like... Trump. The guy with no political experience or cohesive message who seemed to do it just cause he could. We kept thinking the next big scandal was what would end his campaign but then he won and somehow had even more scandals in office. No ones arguing unconventional people can't win. But do you want a leader you want to support or one you don't. Cause right now the dividing line is we don't want trump, not we want Biden and that makes him a liability.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Much of that lifetime has been spent losing presidential bids.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

This isnt the first one hes been kicked out of

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 16 points 3 months ago

This is not some Lifetime movie where "everyone counts him out, but he believes in himself"! The stakes are too high.

Joe, please do not run again. You did good things in your presidency, let that be your legacy. Not staying in the race after voters, Dem leadership, donors, etc all asked you to please step aside, and then losing to Donald Trump, who will enact Project 2025.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Its the Dem leadership and donors who are the ones dividing the party. Joe Biden is the most pro-labour president in recent memory and they want him out because he is threatening their profits.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Again with the conspiracy theories. What does him being Pro-Labour have to do with the cognitive decline we are all witnessing with our own eyes?

No, lawmakers like Nancy Pelosi want him out because he's dragging down the party. He will lose them the White House and keep them from taking back the House. Plus, y'know... Project 2025 and the possible end of our democracy.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 months ago

I don’t respect an inside trader and an ageist woman.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago

So... You can't answer the question or respond to even a single point.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

He only got the job because democratic party leadership decided to coalesce around him in 2020.

[-] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

In a panicked attempt to stop Bernie, if you recall

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

There were lots of good choices in 2020. Sanders was probably the most well-liked and respected, but there was Buttigieg who came out with the very first set of delegates in Indiana. Honestly, I thought Biden was the second worst candidate running for President during the primary, about a million miles ahead of fucking Bloomberg, but just when it looked like it was over for Joe, a miracle saved his entire campaign and rocketed him into the nomination.

We need another miracle like that. Without it, I don't see a path to winning again. The fence-sitters are going to plunge us back into a second Trump term and an inevitable fascist dictatorship.

[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not miraculous. Almost everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden, at the same time, just before Super Tuesday. It was coordinated to help him, after he just won big in SC. Warren stayed in to "help" divide prog vote. That, and COVID, is how we ended up with Biden.

It is ironic that some of these same people are now working behind the scenes again, only to replace him. I'm surprised and happy that Biden listened to Bernie and progs, and had a decent presidency (almost much more, killed by Manchin and Sinema). But swing state polls have shifted, and Biden seems incapable of effectively communicating necessary info (basic politics). I can't imagine the consequences in 2028 if he eeks this one out but continues the decline.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That 'miracle' was the entire party being thrown into panic that Bernie was projected to win.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

If he leaves the race now he will leave office with a positive legacy as an effective one-term president who saved the country from chaos and authoritarians in its time of need. He's got a lot accomplished over the last 3.5 years and he's been a calming and rational influence.

If he stays in the race he will permanently tarnish his legacy, invariably lose the race (because the cast majority of voters have now lost confidence in his mental health), and usher in another spell of strident, dangerous ideology.

I thought the whole reason he chose a younger, more middle of the road VP was to lay the ground work for her ascension. (If he didn't think Harris was electable as President then he fucked up.) It's time for Biden to hand the reigns over to Harris and see what happens.

[-] autotldr 2 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After some well-received speeches mixed with so-so TV interviews and a day featuring an extended news conference in which he displayed a nuanced grasp of policy but also committed a few gasp-inducing gaffes, he got COVID-19.

Meanwhile in Milwaukee, energized and united Republicans celebrated Trump’s nomination at their convention, their adoration stoked by his defiant response in the seconds after a gunman opened fire at his Pennsylvania rally in a failed attempt on his life.

He said he was looking forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week to challenge the Republican’s claims, “while making the case for my own record and the vision that I have for America: one where we save our democracy, protect our rights and freedoms, and create opportunity for everyone.”

This is a man who has been through so many personal trials and rebounded from the brink, dating back to the days after he was first elected to the Senate, when his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car wreck that seriously injured his two young boys.

So, how does Biden balance these very real concerns — about protecting the institutions he loves in a risky election where he says the bedrock of the nation is at stake, with a stubborn streak built by decades of experience that tells him to press forward through headwinds of doubt?

Associated Press Writers Zeke Miller and Calvin Woodward in Washington, Darlene Superville in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, and Ellen Knickmeyer in Aspen, Colorado, contributed to this report.


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[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The only thing Joe has going for him is that a corpse is more electable than Harris. Selecting her for VP was an awful choice.

[-] Strocker89@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 3 months ago

Spent, as in past tense, because he has already outlived the life expectancy.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Not for Loma Linda (88) which is inside the United States.

[-] Strocker89@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 months ago

But what was their life expectancy when Joe Biden was born 80 years ago?

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

That argument falls flat when he is not the average American considering he has Monaco’s level of health care which would allow him to push all the way to 90.

[-] Strocker89@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No amount of healthcare can stop mental decline from old age. It happens to all of us eventually and it is very obviously something that has been happening to Joe Biden. I'm grateful for all he has done as President but it's a good thing that he has decided to step down from running again.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago

Wait, did this headline just call everyone who wants Biden to drop out odd?

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