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Microsoft estimated Valve’s revenue in 2021 at $6.5bn Interesting to see another view on the scale of Valve’s business (i.imgur.com)

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[+] RxBrad 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] chetradley@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

The really impressive thing about Valve is the amount of revenue they make with a relatively small head count. They have about 1/10 the number of employees as EA.

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

What was the last game they made prior to Half-Life Alyx? Portal 2?

[-] Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Cs:go, dota 2, artifact and underlords i think.

I guess this is estimated revenue through game sales, otherwise i'd think activision-blizzard(candy crush) and valve(steam cut, dota and cs micro transactions, steam market) would be higher.

And of course MS has an interest to undervalue some companies compared to sony and nintendo

[-] meatand2veg@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago

Nah it was that shitty dota card game.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Seems about right. They don't have a complete monopoly and the industry seems to be making most of their money off micro-transactions these days instead of sales, something valve takes no cut of outside there own games. Meanwhile apple and google do have monopolies and take a cut of micro-transactions which accounts for there significantly larger revenue.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It might be. It's hard to know since Valve isn't a public company, so it's all estimations and guesses.

[-] soviettaters@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

That number is shockingly low due to how prevent they are. They don't really have any competition on the PC market aside from the Epic Games store which is only used for exclusives by most.

[-] Nighed@sffa.community 42 points 1 year ago

I assume that's gaming revenue not total?

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Apple’s total revenue was almost $400B in 2022. I think App Store revenue was $36B. So this must be just games.

[-] secondaccountlemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wow mobile gaming is making bank.

[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Has to be. There's no way the owners of the biggest storefront for pc gaming makes as much as EA.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Has to be. There’s no way the owners of the biggest storefront for pc gaming makes as much as EA.

What non-gaming revenue do both EA and Valve have? Do you think that EA makes surprisingly much or Valve surprisingly little?

[-] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think they're trying to say that if it was total revenue, valve should have way bigger numbers

[-] elshandra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What non-gaming revenue do both EA and Valve have?

If their gaming revenue is 6.5 their total revenue is about 6.5 no?

[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Being a marketplace for other people's games would probably be classified as a different type of income, specially if steam sells software that's not games (which it does).

[-] elshandra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'll grant that a looot of valve's revenue is from marketplace & steam store, and sure they sell other products but it's a drop in the bucket vs gaming. It's effectively a service for gamers. It's probably not considered gaming revenue for accounting/internal politics reasons.

I would wager that if it were possible to, you'd be able to link a vast majority of valve's revenue to the purpose of gaming. Reality vs financial reality?

[-] Rose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to Wikipedia, Steam made over 3 billion in 2017, but they also earn from microtransactions primarily in Dota 2 and CS:GO, which continue to be some of the most played games on Steam.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think they’re trying to say that if it was total revenue, valve should have way bigger numbers

https://www.ea.com/games/library/mobile

Mobile games are huge.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Why? 30% a sale, sounds about right

[-] meepmeep@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

But how could Valve have made $6.5b off of their own games? They haven't released anything in yonks have they?! Plus EA have the gacha-fication of FIFA/every other sports game franchise they own with Ultimate Team, etc.