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Rulebin didn't die for this (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 months ago by DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tbf, you shouldn't be that disrespectful to writers that make a bad movie/show. Unless there's something morally wrong about it, direct your blame to the company or brand at most. Just don't go watch their stuff in the future. Never hate watch unless you're pirating. Hate watching earned us a second season of that Velma show afterall.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

What the everloving fuck do you mean it got a second season

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Look it up. They only saw watch numbers, and so many hate watched season 1 that they made season 2.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 12 points 2 months ago

You’re talking about two different things. In general, you should never be disrespectful of anyone because there’s no need to be mean. However, I can definitely criticize a writer for working on something terrible because they wrote it. I can also criticize a studio for releasing it. “Just following orders” doesn’t remove culpability especially when the writing is really fucking bad.

Please note I’m not talking about this movie because it hasn’t been released yet. I’ve watched a plethora of movies over the last month that had really bad writing.

[-] glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

"Just following orders" absolutely does excuse bad writing as long as it's not harmful. I wouldn't get mad at a writer of a thing a studio ruined just like I wouldn't get mad at a grocery store worker for rearranging the shelves for the fifth week in a row. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean doing a stupid and pointless job makes them a bad person. If the writing is racist or whatever, sure, they're complicit, but writers have to eat and it's not morally wrong to write a boring script if that's what your boss is asking you for.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

There’s a difference between a bad script and bad rewrites. Ending of GoT? Bad script, rewrites don’t matter. 2016 Suicide Squad? Arguably a good script with shitty rewrites. Galaxy of Terror? No comment on the scripts but the rewrites fucked it. Justice League? Horrible script and horrible rewrites. I don’t blame the writers of Galaxy of Terror for Corman’s worm rape scene; I do excoriate Whedon for the pile of shit Snyder used to make a worse pile of shit.

You’re conflating moral standards with film standards. There are standards that people agree on that loosely dictate what we consider good and bad. They can change based on the viewer. The core of a script is what has the opportunity to be butchered and if it’s bad that’s not on the studio, that’s on the writer. Studios don’t hire someone and say “write us a piece of shit” they take something that exists and modify it (unless you’re Neil Breen in which case that’s your goal).

In your example, I can get frustrated with a grocery worker pushing all of the things to back of the shelf where I can’t reach. That is a fair criticism of their contribution to the inane reshuffling. I’m not saying they’re a bad person because they’re doing the thing they need to do to survive poorly; I’m saying they’re doing a thing poorly. It has no bearing on them as a person. It’s not morally wrong of them to make it impossible for me to get the item I need; it is a shit job though.

[-] glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

You seem to be giving a LOT of agency to writers for the stories they tell. Some stories are going to be something writers worked hard on wanted to write, and in those cases ya they should be blamed for the resulting flaws, but many times they are constrained by the instructions they're given.

To go back to the metaphor, did the worker decide that the stuff you need goes out of your reach or are they putting it where they were told to?

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Give me concrete examples. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about so I want to discuss something specific; the agency you’re talking about is actually there and is centered around the core of the script.

In your hypothetical where you’ve now decided everyone is just following orders, I can still say the worker did a bad job. You gonna tell me the worker is gonna get fired for not following dumb instructions? Okay. Still did a bad job, orders or not.

I do not understand why you’re so dead set on telling people critical analysis is bad. Is it morally wrong to like something more than something else? Kinda seems like that way if I can’t ever judge anything because there are constraints outside the control of the thing. I’m not going to attack a straw man here. You should expand on what we can and can’t analyze.

[-] glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

I am under no circumstances saying you can't criticize art or say that the writing was bad or whatever you seem to think my position is.

Writers can and do get fired for not doing the job they were hired for and rarely get to lead the creative process (and usually if they do they're like, writer/director, or a big name). All I'm trying to say is that a worker can do a good job within the bounds they're given and still have the result be terrible because the bounds were terrible.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Give me concrete examples. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about so I want to discuss something specific; the agency you’re talking about is actually there and is centered around the core of the script.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Everyone involved in the skibidi toilet movie is morally and artistically bankrupt. I will not apologize and I humbly request that every one of them ritualistically throws themself into a volcano to earn forgiveness.

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

tbf, we don't know much about the movie yet. Sure the CGI creatures are godawful but maybe the writing will be decent?... well probably not

the only hope i have is that Minecraft is big enough of a name that they'd allow the creators to take financial risks, such as: being creative

[-] bbuez@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I mentally prepared myself to watch the trailer, but honestly, it looks very safe, as they certainly know the association is enough to bring profit. Much like the Mario movie IMO, there's only so much storytelling you can get from conglomerate media.

First couple scenes I really had the impression that the backdrop was AI'd, but overall it looks like the budget went to everything other than costumes and sets. JB most certainly picked a blue T shirt out of the wardrobe and called it good.. if they don't even show armor I'll be thoroughly disapointed, its about the minimum costume design

[-] swab148@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Half the movie is just him throwing down beds grinding for Netherite

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

but like, it would have been less effort and expense to use the regular minecraft animation style, since there's no fur rendering, and of course that would have also been infinitely more appealing.

[-] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Oh I mean people have already reanimated it, which only proves your point... if people were reanimating the Lego movie after the first trailer, it wouldn't have become the success it has. There's a reason they hired by talent for that project

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Didnt we get season 2 because the studio actually ordeed 1 season but then split it up into 2 seasons to get it through cheaper?

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It might not have gotten finished if it didn't have such high viewership. Most shows of that quality get ignored and forgotten, but by being hated, it overperformed