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This sounds like the sort of infrastructure project the Linux Foundation should be supporting.
They only invest in the fancy marketable new age shit, and well, corporate rejects (Tizen, MeeGo, etc)
In my opinion it's criminal just how often this happens. Big business making obscene profit off the back of volunteer work like yours and many others across the OSS community.
Germany has a Sovereign Tech Fund for exactly this, and while it's not perfect, it's one of the better uses of my tax euros.
Didn't they suspend, or greatly hinder, that recently?
There was an EU-wide one that gota lot of its funding redirected to AI stuff recently that you might be thinking of.
It's criminal to let someone do the thing he actively volunteers to do? It's criminal to use software that someone intentionally puts out into the world as free?
If you're willing yo do something for free, people are going to let you 🤷♂️
It's criminal the propaganda that lead people like this developer to believe they should do the work for free, and not worry, because the corporate world always gives back :)
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Definitely agree, maybe it’s time to share Paul Ramsey’s talk on the subject again
Bruce Perens is currently working on a new licensing model called Post Open requiring that business with sufficient revenue to pay up.
I hope it catches on!
I doubt it. It is basically equivalent to buying a proprietary software license for 1% of a revenue. I doubt any large business would be willing to spend that much on a single piece of software. And it would always be only one piece of software at a time.
Still better than being exploited
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Just, um, don't invite that guy who helped out with the xz tools...
Everything needs to be slapped with the AGPL. Fuck corporate America
Creative Commons-BY-NC would be better.
Alright we should use that then
AGPL on documentation? What would that do?
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My old employer used to have people on staff just for technical writing. Some of that writing became the man pages you know, and some of it was 'just' documentation for commercial products - ID management and the like.
Then we sued IBM for breach of contract, and if you ask anyone about it they'll parrot the IBM PR themes exactly, as their PR work was brutal. People in Usenet and Forums were very mean, and the company decided to stop offering much of the stuff that it was for free. It was very 'f this'.
If man pages needed a volunteer to maintain, I know why ours tapered off.
Things like this make me wish I was a tech CEO. I'd totally be the guy ensuring we give back to projects if I was.
That is part of why you're not a tech CEO. You're not supposed to have compassion! No investor would want that.
P.S. This is an attack on CEOs and investors, not on you :)
Nah, the investors don't see it as a benefit to your growth to pay people you don't have to
10k for a company making millions annually is nothing, 1% or less. But split between some of these projects, especially the less appreciated or funded ones, can be life changing.
But you're unfortunately right
The 10k can pay dividends in PR alone, and will attract more developers to apply for job openings.
Exactly. Promote it as community outreach, it's more useful than feel-good Pictures at dog shelters.
Unfortunately, people like this don't become CEOs.
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My company will let me purchase software, but it won't let me donate to FOSS. Budgeting says it's "unnecessary". So screwed up. (A tiny amount money on my end, but still, it would be nice to help out a little.)
I think its this site? https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
I don't see any option to give money. So he does not accept donations from users like you and me and only asks for sponsorship?
An alternate website can be found here: https://linux.die.net/man/ However, I don't know how much they differ.
Edit: What I don't like with both of these sites is, that they are powered by Google. I would like to see an alternative engine, at least an option to set it up. That's probably a reason why I never used it and actually wouldn't want to support it.
You do realize that man pages don't live on the internet? The kernel.org one is the offical project website, as far as I know, but the project itself is very much not for the web presense, but for the vastly useful documentation included on your distribution.
The few times I've needed to man [app name] on a system without internet access or on an obscure utility, I've always been able to find what I need in the included docs
I hope the dev eventually gets sponsored, this is one of those utilities that you don't think you need until --help doesn't cut it
honestly I use the man command whenever I can. It gives distro-specific info, that documents the right version and any distro-specific patches
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You do realize that man pages don’t live on the internet?
What part of my reply is this an answer to? I know we have our man pages offline. But the website here is online and they use Google as a search machine. My critique is using Google and not providing an alternative search machine setup.
I mean that the product made in here is not the website and I can well understand that the developer has no interest of spending time for it as it's not beneficial to the actual project he's been working with. And I can also understand that he doesn't want to receive donations from individuals as that would bring in even more work to manage which is time spent off the project. A single sponsor with clearly agreed boundaries is far more simple to manage.
I see, it was a reply to me why he isn't accepting donations from individuals. The given reason here makes sense.
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He absolutely deserves it.
Quick, print them all out now before they're gone!
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