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Danish "socialist" party, Enhedslisten chose a new leader, Pelle Dragsted, who commemorated the "Tiananmen Square Massacre" this June. Denmark is so cucked. (Translation in body) (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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The tweet translated:

Today is the anniversary of the massacre of students and workers who fought for freedom, rights and democracy in China, but were suppressed with violence and repression. China's repression of dissidents unfortunately continues in high gear.

This dude is the new leader for "Enhedslisten"(Unity List), the only "socialist"(They have recently been pro NATO until an alternative arises) party with enough mandates to receive government positions, they are fairly popular.

Denmark is so cucked.

The tweet: https://twitter.com/pelledragsted/status/1665355639307096064

News article about him becoming "ordfører" for Enhedslisten: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/live-enhedslisten-praesenterer-ny-politisk-ordfoerer (Danish)

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[–] Drstrange2love@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I always say this event had more impact in the West than in China itself

[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well when you memory hole an event as hard as you can so that an entire generation forgets about a bloody crackdown on democratic ideals, sure. It had more of an affect outside of where that suppression happened because people actually remember.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah cuz westerners definitely know more about Chinese history than Chinese people LMAO

[–] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

White man's burden is the opium of Westerners.

[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you saying the chinese government didn't use it's massive censorship apparatus over their media and education to cover this up? Are you pro-censorship?

[–] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Tell me you never spoke to a Chinese person without telling me you never spoke to a Chinese person.

[–] vermingot@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Which Chinese people ? The exploited or the bourgeoisie ? Are you being vague because you don't want to discuss this in good faith ?

Someone happens to have a different view on a subject and that means it's time to present the most vapid argument because you know it's gonna get supported.

Even if you support something, most of the time shit's nuanced and doesn't stop at "Chinese know Chinese things more so you're automatically wrong"

Anyway, I don't understand this community, I thought there were gonna be communists here, let's go back to the part where everyone unequivocally supports the regime.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Am I wrong about communism? No, it's the communists who are wrong!"

[–] vermingot@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's not what I'm saying, my point is that usually communists are people who took a step back to reflect and question themselves on the world we are living in and I'm disappointed to see the same herd mentality you see everywhere else where anything that isn't coming from inside that echo chamber is rejected outright. There are many "flavours" of communism and we should be able to have a healthy discussion between different communist groups but I don't see that anywhere.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

communists are people who took a step back to reflect and question themselves on the world we are living in

This is exactly what we did and you are reading the effect of it. It's not like the event was yesterday, we had a lot of time to think on it.

There are many “flavours” of communism

We had a lot of time to think on this too, and we rejected the utopian and reactionary flavours of communism. And we are not having a healthy discussion because you ride here on a horse higher than stars and you shower us with being confidently ignorant about us. If you really want to know something, ask. You just need to ask in good faith, not the usual liberal method of "did you stopped beating your wife", that will only get you ridiculed, because we seen way too many of debate pervert types to lose too much time on them.

[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

Maybe not more than the government but your average Chinese citizen? LOL

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For helved da. Of course they are... democratic socialists?, well western "socialists", through and through.

[–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Pretty much. They are definitely socialist in their definition, but they believe in the weakest form of socialist revolution: Voting it in ... On paper at least, in practice it's hasn't been looking good imo. The current ordfører bashing the worlds largest socialist project and them supporting NATO until an alternative is presented is worrying.

Commendably (Quite a while ago now) they did vote no to the removal of the EU forsvarsforbehold. (As the only left-wing party btw, some right-wing parties did vote no, but that's because they want their own fascist militaries lol)

https://enhedslisten.dk/programmer/enhedslistens-principprogram

Direct democracy, socialist economy, community based governance, rewriting grundloven(constitution) etc. all good stuff on paper.

[–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is also this ... The incident is rather cringe, the police removed a Tibet flag from protesters during a China-Denmark state visit, and the police officers themselves were reprimanded for acting on their own accord. But I find this post even more cringe.

https://i.imgur.com/ziVNwj0.png

Translated:

Protest against panda diplomacy. Today, Eva Flyvholm, foreign affairs spokesperson for Enhedslisten, gave a speech at the demonstration organised by the Support Committee for Tibet in front of the Copenhagen Zoo. "We are not against the pandas, but it is clear that Denmark gets the pandas after we toned down our criticism of the Chinese occupation of Tibet," says Eva Flyvholm. "It is important for us to support the right to demonstrate and display the Tibetan flag.

Ah yes, let's bring back feudal-theocratic slave rule to Tibet???