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Just 1% of people are responsible for half of all toxic emissions from flying.

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[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everyone in these comments so far is misrepresenting the information here and arguing off of an incorrect assumption.

This is NOT saying that the 1% wealthiest people are responsible for half of these emissions. This is saying that 1% of travellers are responsible for half these emissions because those travelers travel so frequently. It has nothing to do with their wealth or using private jets. It's about how much they're flying.

Source: From the study linked in the petition: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378020307779

"1% of world population emits 50% of CO2 from commercial aviation." Not private jets. Commercial aviation.

"Data also supports that a minor share of air travelers is responsible for a large share of warming: The percentile of the most frequent fliers – at most 1% of the world population - likely accounts for more than half of the total emissions from passenger air travel."

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

"Everyone in these comments doesn't understand"

You've been arguing against me that commercial flights aren't an issue because I've pointed out the same fucking thing 7h before you!

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I never said that. I said that they’re not as big of an issue as cars. You’re lying. If you’re going to focus your efforts, as I’ve stated now multiple times, it would be more impactful to tell people to drive less, not more. Airline travel is more efficient than driving.

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[-] myusernameblows@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

If it were up to me we'd blanket ban anything that only the ultra rich can afford and force them to put the funds into improving public services. If they want private flights, great, but they also have to offer them at an affordable price to the average person. Basically, "if you didn't bring enough for the whole class, you can't eat it," but for rich people.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago

You've got it exactly backwards. The problem isn't that the rich buy too much. The problem is that they don't buy enough. They lend and invest and leverage and otherwise use their money to create debts owed to them.

The cars they buy each pay autoworker wages. The shares they buy in that car company creates an obligation on the company to pay them dividends.

We should be doing everything we can to increase their costs and decrease returns on excessive investments, while removing impediments on them buying services and manufactured products.

[-] Loui@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

So encourage them to fly more?

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

Economically, yes. Ecologically, no.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

If they want private flights, great, but they also have to offer them at an affordable price to the average person.

Individual motorized transport for the masses, but in the skies? This would ultimately doom our ecosphere. Let's instead have less flights, less individual transport and more mass transit.

I think I generally agree to your idea but want to include future generations; sustainability. It's not enough to allow all currently living people a certain lifestyle. What good is it if the result is a scorched Earth a few decades later?

Or maybe you didn't mean it that way. Sorry then, still wanted to make that point.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Skewed analysis is skewed.

From their own source, 4% of the fuel consumption comes from private flights, so the 1% of people are mostly taking commercial flights (70% of gas consumption), the petition should be to ban private and the majority of passenger commercial flights.

Did you know that four passengers in a Suburban pollute less for the same amount of miles traveled than if they were going to their destination by plane? Don't see many people thinking about that when taking the plane to visit the world, not even those who are eco anxious.

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Although nothing you’ve said is inaccurate or incorrect, I feel like you’re leaving out a big part of the equation - time. A Suburban can’t travel the same number of miles anywhere near as fast as a plane or jet and that, in most cases, is the number one reason someone chooses a flight over a drive, even if it uses less fuel and is more eco-friendly.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I totally agree with you but there's a question that should be asked when it comes to going on vacation all over the place (and from what I understand it's more common in the USA/English Canada to move very far for school and to take the plane multiple times a year to go see one's family)... It's simply unsustainable but people keep pointing at the rich with their private jet but when looking at the big picture, it's tourists that allow commercial flights companies to continuously increase the number of flights they offer...

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[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

I stopped flying cross country a year ago. Not looking back. Thanks wife.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not a European citizen, can I still sign this?

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