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How Jill Stein's Muslim Surge Could Sink Kamala Harris (www.newsweek.com)

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Nope

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

I'd add LOL.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

GOOD point.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Which would completely devastate American Muslims and what they want. The only thing Stein can do is throw the election to Trump.

Here's Trump's agenda:

He wants Israel to kill people faster:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

“They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

He wants to revoke the citizenship from Americans:

https://www.aclu.org/documents/trump-administrations-plan-strip-citizenship-thousands-americans

And daetain them in concentration camps:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/

And do the same thing to Mexico that Israel does to Lebanon:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

[-] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

[-] KaRunChiy@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

Lol. No

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think this is an important topic. It's reasonable to ask, if Stein is doing so much better than Harris among some groups, then what's the reason for this? What can Harris learn and adjust in her campaign to win over those folks and get those votes?

It's interesting to note that this isn't universal - even though Stein has a lead in some states among these voters, they tie nationally and Harris has a lead in a few other important states (e.g. Georgia). I wonder what accounts for the difference?

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 3 weeks ago

Loving these posts from you, bc the comments section is often a convenient list of users to block. Checking in on your posts to block people has improved my experience on Lemmy a lot

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. So clearly a shill, it's pitiful. Hope they don't get sent to the front, though. 🫣😅🤷🏼‍♂️

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 3 weeks ago

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Aw, that's adorable. ^whoosh.

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago

Jealous of my sick wheels?

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -11 points 3 weeks ago

bc the comments section is often a convenient list of users to block.

Right?! Glad I can help, friend!

[+] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone -9 points 3 weeks ago

Soon enough, I'll be able to state that I'm voting for Stein if Harris doesn't commit to ending military aid to Israel (and support M4A or similar), and anyone with something dumb to say about that simply won't show up on my screen

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's actually pretty funny that you and OP are seeing eye to eye on this, considering you want the US to stop funding Israel's genocide, and OP is 100% cool with Israel's genocide. Politics makes for some strange bedfellows, indeed.

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yuck. Thanks for sharing that

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I didn't post the article he is referring to. He's saying that to sow doubt. But you will see, I had nothing do with posting that article, nor did I write it.

Some guy named Allah posted that article. Don't know him, never heard of him, other than he posted that article.

No clue why someone would lie and imply that I had anything to do with it, other than he is just annoyed that I'm not the only one who is not voting for Harris or Trump.

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 3 weeks ago

I just thought the part where you said "I like Israel" was yucky, given what makes the most sense to infer from that, within the context that you said it.

Though maybe all that can really be inferred from that in good faith is that you just wanted to annoy a stranger on the internet, which is admirable

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

and OP is 100% cool with Israel’s genocide.

I didn't post the article you are referring to. I didn't write it. Nor did I produce it. I didn't have anything to do with it.

And I never ever EVER said I was cool with Israel's genocide. Nice try.

I know you are upset that I am not the only person who isn't voting for Trump or Harris. But come on man, try harder. lmao

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The article posted by the OP in that instance was a bullshit apologetic thinkpiece about how the people opposed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians are just ignorant, which includes the re-framing of genocide into "self-defense". You not only didn't have a problem with that, but you essentially defended OP against someone who did - me. At no point did you condemn any of the morally bankrupt positions the article OP posted took, and then you went and said that you like Israel. Could just be that you said that just to antagonize me, and you don't actually mean it. If that's the case, then at the very best, you're a disingenuous jackass who doesn't take the genocide seriously. At worst, you're a supporter of it.

Which is it?

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I didn't defend OP at all. Go read the thread. I said telling someone to go fuck themselves wasn't really going to change anything.

Again, I didn't post the article, nor do I know anything about it or the poster.

And I stand by what I said: Telling someone to go fuck themselves isn't very helpful.

At no point did you condemn any of the morally bankrupt positions the article OP posted took, and then you went and said that you like Israel.

It's not my job to condemn, support, or even comment on an article someone else posts.

Also, just to be clear, I do like Israel. My girlfriend is Jewish, and I’ve been there—it's a beautiful place. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with their leaders or condone genocide.

By implying--actually saying--that I support genocide is a gross distortion of the facts and you should feel icky about yourself. All of this over me suggesting to you that telling someone to go fuck themselves wasn't helpful!?

And notice, I didn’t delete your comments—I left them up. I believe in diversity of opinion in that community.

There are going to be posts you don’t like, so accept it and move on. Or feel free to block the community or me. But don't lie and say I'm cool with genocide.

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

It’s not my job to condemn, support, or even comment on every article someone else posts

No, it certainly isn't. But the fact that you declined to respond to OP, and chose to respond to someone criticising OP instead is very telling about your priorities.

Also, just to be clear, I do like Israel. My girlfriend is Jewish, and I’ve been there—it’s a beautiful place. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with their leaders or condone genocide.

Ok, crazy hypothetical time here... let's say that we were discussing some other famous genocide. You can pick any one you'd like. And let's say that some piece of shit posted an article on the channel you moderate saying that "hey - actually it's not a genocide, it's just, like, pre-emptive self defence, guys", and someone calls that person out. If someone responds to that by saying: "Hey, I like <name_of_country>", would you take that to mean "I really like the rivers and hills, and I have a passing familiarity with the place", or would you not take the dumbest possible interpretation, and instead treat it as if instead of being a complete nonsequitor, it was in the context of the conversation to date? When you said: "I like Israel", it was in the context of Israel committing a genocide. Who gives a shit if the place is pretty? The conversation had nothing to do with how scenic the country is, but rather how terrible their government is.

By implying–actually saying–that I support genocide is a gross distortion of the facts and you should feel icky about yourself.

You want me to feel icky about interpreting the things you said in the way that makes the most sense? Maybe in the future, if you don't want to be misunderstood, be clear about what you're talking about, and don't try to weasel out of responsibility. Your entire whining response to me between that post and this boils down to you not taking responsibility for being obtuse.

I believe in diversity of opinion in that community.

Ah yes - classic liberal thinking: "People who deplore genocide and people who cheer it on should be equally heard!" Fuck you.

But don’t lie and say I support genocide.

Ok - condemn Israel, and condemn the poster who posted an apologetics piece about Israel's genocide. I don't give a shit how pretty you think the countryside of Israel is.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

But the fact that you declined to respond to OP, and chose to respond to someone criticising OP instead is very telling about your priorities.

It doesn't tell anything. I told you that telling someone to go fuck themselves wasn't cool. I stand by what I said.

Ah yes - classic liberal thinking: “People who deplore genocide and people who cheer it on should be equally heard!” Fuck you.

This community's guidelines require you to be civil. Falsely accusing me of being cool with genocide and saying what you just said, are against the guidelines and the spirit of this community. Please remain civil.

Ok - condemn Israel, and condemn the poster who posted an apologetics piece about Israel’s genocide. I don’t give a shit how pretty you think the countryside of Israel is.

I don't have to explain anything to you or do anything of the sort. I stand by my comments that you telling people to go fuck themselves does nothing to help the situation. Thanks.

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don’t have to explain anything to you or do anything of the sort.

Yup. Called it. No wonder you are acting like such a weasel. You are at the very least ok with it, and at most support it. But you don't want anybody else to know that about you, so you're trying to pretend you're taking some kind of moral high ground.

You know what the moral high ground actually is? Condemning genocide. It's possibly the most basic moral test that exists, and you failed it spectacularly. I stand by every negative thing I've said about you.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

why wouldn't Harris support audio books?

[-] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Gotta make sure you block 85% of Lemmy so you get that real echo chamber going!

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