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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago

It's mind boggling that pro-Palestinian voters would support Trump. I understand opposing Biden and Harris supporting Israel, but Trump will be unquestionably worse for Palestinians.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Yep, the vast majority of pro-Palestinian voters and Palestinians themselves have been suggesting Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and Cornel West, not Trump.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

When you factor in first past the post voting, those options all become bad, and not because of the candidates or their position on the genocide. Great little video explaining the core of the issue:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm 100% aware of how FPTP works. I understand that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Harris, that means Trump is more likely to win. I also know that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Trump, that means Harris is more likely to win.

Given that I would never vote for either genocidal entity, I am not "taking away" votes for Harris. She can promise to sanction Israel or otherwise put an end to the genocide, and I would likely pivot to vote for her, as she would have fundamentally changed my single largest issue with her, despite thinking she has awful policy in general. However, this vote would be one she had earned, not regained.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

None of those candidates will get more than low single digit percentages of the vote. You can vote your conscience or vote pragmatically. Voting pragmatically means voting for Harris to prevent Trump from winning.

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net -5 points 1 day ago

So practical that you’ve all totally lost your moral compass. Who would write their name under a column that has active genocide support marked off? Blows mu mind that you people act like you have some sort of practical moral high ground while actively supporting genocide (voting is an act).

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago

I think Harris could likely change her mind on Israel. Not so for Trump, and the other candidates don't stand a chance so why vote for them.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

Harris will never change her mind on Israel

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don't care.

I don't have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It's great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can't stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.

This isn't Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, "yeah, I don't care if that guy comes back," then I don't know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain't perfect, but she must win.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Very few Muslims support Trump according to polling. This was a funny outlier showcasing what happens when people take the democrat parrot point seriously.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 25 points 1 day ago

In a duopoly, it ultimately doesn’t matter. But there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for Donald Trump. I don’t hate myself that much.

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Why is that bad advice to vote for someone you agree with? It isn’t like American elections are in any way real or the government of the United States gives a fuck about the people who live there.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Because our electoral system is so bad you have to apply game theory to your vote

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