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Half the country sees former President Donald Trump as a fascist, amplifying concerns raised in recent days by Vice President Kamala Harris and past members of Trump's own administration. Far fewer in a new ABC News/Ipsos poll level the same charge against Harris.

Nearly two-thirds also say Trump often departs from the truth, again more than say so about Harris. But Harris gets more criticism than Trump for pandering for votes by promoting policies she doesn't intend to carry out -- underscoring challenges for both candidates as the fur flies in their increasingly heated presidential race.

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 143 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that it’s only half is mind boggling

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 93 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Remember that ~40% have been told that fascism, communism, socialism, and the Democratic party are all the same for the last 40+ years by "news" organisations.

[-] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

And frankly, we've been blowing the fascism whistle for a long time. Though the GOP/Trump are indisputably fascist now, a lot of people are numb to the alarm and don't take it seriously.

The boy who cried fascist.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 weeks ago

The boy who cried fascist, except he never lied about it a single time, there's just a lot of people who didn't care if a few sheep get taken, and refuse to care now that we're running out of sheep.

[-] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

How many of the elements of fascism does a person or party need to contain before they're fascist in your eyes?

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Not the boy who cried fascist.

A man who was so consistently fascist over such a long period of time that it duplicated the effect, even though nobody who pointed it out was exaggerating.

"The boy who cried fascist" would mean people were saying it when it wasn't true. The stupid he makes is so baffling that it can seem that way though, can't it?

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

That's what makes their messaging so effective. They just mislabel all sorts of shit so words lose all meaning.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

My understanding from my remaining MAGA friend is that they're fed a steady diet of "liberals believe crazy theories" all day long from all the sources they're allowed. e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.

Now the fact that this circumvents reason and agency are (apparently) irrelevant.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.

This kind of thinking is what will be the downfall of humanity. Already is happening.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

And of that half, some are voting for him because of it.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nearly two-thirds also say Trump often departs from the truth

JFC this is way too low.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Such a softball way of putting it. More like “lies every time he breathes”.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Even the softball way can't get 2/3!

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

And yet a good chunk of that 2/3 is willing to vote for him anyways.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago

The problem is that half of America likes fascism.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

Fascism thrives on establishing an "In" group that has all the power and all the rights, and an "Out" group that gets nothing but suffering and is scapegoated for everything. You can guess which group that half thinks they'll be a part of.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The problem is that they always need an "out" group. So what happens when you get rid of all of the illegal immigrants? Suddenly, you're no longer part of the "in" group because you're neurodivergent or have the wrong color eyes. Or whatever becomes the new "out" group.

Then you're dead

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

My hypothesized order of scapegoats is:

  • Non-cis gender identity
  • Sexual orientation
  • Neurodivergence
  • Race
  • Women
  • Wealth

They can't be too obvious about the end state being the rich having absolute domination over the poor, nor can they jump straight to demographics that have historically fought for equal rights.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot people of color and people who don’t hold an ever-narrowing definition of correct religious faith. And people belonging to unions.

[-] Zacpod@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

This. Half of America likes fascist ideas, but don't want to to support THE WORD "fascism" since that's a bad word. Fucking idjits.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

This would be big news if having a majority actually mattered.

[-] American_Jesus@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago

Meanwhile %90 europe sees Trump a fascist

[-] Metz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately not true. When I look at how many people have been voting on the right recently. For example among AfD voters in Germany (which got 30% in some areas), Trump is still very popular. The cancer is rampant here too.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's wrong to think that because the right supports Trump that they don't think he's a fascist. A significant portion of those on the right support Trump because they think he's a fascist.

The important questions are, of the Americans who think Trump is a fascist:

How many think it should disqualify him?

How many plan to vote for him despite him being a fascist?

How many plan to vote for him because he's a fascist?

[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

A good chunk of Trump's cancer is caused by terrible left wing policy.

I hate Trump and everything about the far right, but I can understand people falling in love with the idea of a strongman who will cut through bullshit and do what people want.

The left is supposed to mitigate income inequality, and make life good for their citizens.

Both left/right idealogies are entirely owned by corporate interests across the globe - this is the crux of the entire issue.

The problems facing the middle class are entirely artificial and intentional. There are a myriad of reasons, but the end result is that we have one societies/laws/reality for the wealthy, and a completely different set of rules for the population.

The left promises to solve everything with equality and the right promises to resolve everything with hierarchy.

Neither idealogy has any intention of doing anything but funnel as much money/power to big business until their political careers are done.

The obvious difference is the "Right" idealogies are objectively bad for everyone but the ultra wealthy. Unfortunately being ultra wealthy gives you the ability to own national anti-reality propaganda networks.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

The US doesn't have a left wing.

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

The other half lick his boots

[-] Damage@feddit.it 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure a good percentage of those who believe him a fascists also approve of that

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 weeks ago

Only half? America is so weird

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

At least a third don't know what fascism is. We do not do education well. It's how we ended up here in the first place.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

No, the other half just doesn't know what fascism means.

[-] BallsandBayonets 6 points 2 weeks ago

Or they know and are ok with it because they're cis, white, males who call themselves christian.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They think it's a condiment

[-] xc2215x@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

So every Democrat voter basically and no Republican voter sees him as one.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not quite every Democratic voter as it's only 50%. Every Democrat and a majority of independents said he lies since that was 2/3rds and a bit over 30% of the population are Republicans with another about 10% being made up of right leaning independents.

[-] PuppyAttack@lemmus.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Among registered voters who think Trump is a fascist, 8% support him anyway.

Probably a few Republicans in there.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

and the half that dont cant even spell fascist

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

.... Yet a good chunk will vote for him anyway, because they think Trump is hurting the right people.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

And the other half love him for it.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Half of Americans don't view him as a fascist and will gladly vote for him, and a portion of the other half sees it as a sign of leadership

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