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[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s been here since 2003

[–] suzune@ani.social 12 points 8 months ago

I laughed a bit. Thanks.

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[–] jg1i@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hopefully the clients get much better. I convinced a few friends to get on Matrix last year... and... boy... it was a terrible experience. Everyone ended up going back to Discord and they probably won't trust another recommendation from me.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

UX is very difficult, unfortunately, especially for open-source projects where the contributors are usually programmers and not so much UX/product managers.

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Look at the telegram client, which is open source and has the best UX for a messenger I know

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isn't telegram a for-profit company?

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

The telegram apps are open source

[–] min_fapper@programming.dev 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, but repeated "This message cannot be decrypted" breaks its primary function as a chat app.

It's getting harder and harder to disable their broken end to end encryption by default too.

[–] konomikitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 8 months ago

I've been very mindful not to recommend Matrix until the clients and protocol become much more stable. When you're recommending platforms to average users you really need to jump in and try it yourself. If too many problems come up just don't recommend. Or alternatively do recommend if you want them to leave you alone :3

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago

Yes I'm waiting until it's ready for the average user before I recommend it to anyone.

[–] barkingspiders@infosec.pub 47 points 8 months ago (2 children)

great project getting better all the time!

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Awful to self-host (resources, administration) and rolling their own crypto

On the UX-Side it's too complicated to explain to my parents.

I'd love for it to succeed, but for now I'll just stick woth Signal

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

rolling their own crypto

No, it uses well-known, well-proven, standard crypto.

It also uses double-ratchet key management, much like what Signal does.

The reference server is a bit heavy if you're federating with large public rooms, but lighter alternative servers are available.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

they do have a special crypto usage which they have sensibly rewritten in Matrix 2.0

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But I haven’t even escaped the original matrix. Or the matrix reloaded.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're not the chosen one.

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[–] nadiaraven@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I tried running a matrix server last year. I guess I will try again and see if a normie like me can make it somewhat usable.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With docker it's quite easy (assuming you are familiar with docker)

But docker / containerization is a skill that becomes really really helpful to learn if you are interested in this type of thing.

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[–] konomikitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago

If the Matrix Foundation can deliver on all the points of this blog post then Matrix will take off as a platform. The problem I have is that in the past they've been poor at handling issues in any sort of reasonable time frame, or at all.

Hoping they'll eventually turn over a new leaf.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I interviewed with them and wanted to work for them. They said I wanted too much money :(

[–] jg1i@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

I asked for an American tech worker salary, and they’re British so they thought it was preposterous

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

Is it an improvement over xmpp ?

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Epic timing, I want to dive in and see if I can mirror setting up Discord communities in the most painless way possible. This seems to be a great step in the right direction. Imagine a place.. where you get the best of both worlds and we can leave Discord behind.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago

I need to give Matrix another try

[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I like this reddit comment's explanation:

As someone said before, compare it to E-Mail.

Matrix ~ smtp/pop3/imap (protocol layer)

synapse ~ sendmail/postfix/dovecot/exchange/... (server)

element, fluffy, ... ~ thunderbird, outlook, pine, elm, ... (clients)

Everyone can host it's own server and have it's on private chat cloud. Thats like E-Mail and other opensource chat servers like Rocket.Chat, Mattermost and so on.

But like for E-Mail, it is easy possible to federate with others (like mail: "talk" to other mailservers), to be able to chat with people on other Matrix Servers. That's the difference to most of the other opensource chat.servers, which are stuck to their cloud.

As for EMail: Choose your best weapon, will say, client or server software. The protocol is free and will stay free. At this time, there's mainly synapse as the reference implementation from matrix.org and upcoming dendrite, but more servers will be available in future I think. At client side, theres element as the reference implementation and also some others, for example fluffy.chat.

Another cool feature ist bridging. The protocol specification allows bridges to other chat-systems, so you are for example able to talk to IRC-Servers or XMPP-Servers too. Many bridges are in development, less are stable. But more to come in future.

Matrix.org is "outsourced" from university and responsble for developing the specs. They are the big brain behind. They also server matrix.org as free service for people to test matrix or use it without having their own servers.

Element.io is also an outsourced company, which is developing element (reference clients). They are also selling hosted solutions to get money to the project.

Both are under the roof of the new Vector limited.

Because the Api is free, everyone can produce own servers an clients and (in theory) no one can take the whole network over. (in practice: if a big company does its own "cool" non open addons and has enough users, the same shit as for xmpp and WhatsApp could happen...)

Because everyone can host its own servers *and* optionally federate, the same product can be used for high secure private chat-clouds, for example in hostpital, military, schools, whatever, but it can also be uses to talk everyone like e-mail or phone. *And* no one has the masterhost, so no one has all data and no one can change the rules overnight to get money, more data or whatever.

From functional side: Matrix is what some people call "modern", it has text chat, you can send files, you can do voice- and video-calls (in element: 1:1, for groups with jisi as backend) and send voice-messages (at least in fluffy.chat, upcoming in element also). You can also plugin things like etherpad or BigBluButton and send cute stickers if needed. You can structure your contacts with "spaces" (beta).

Element got better and better in the last year and is imho very easy to use for now, but with some last edges. Fluffy is somewhat easier some users as far as I've heared but not feature complete.

I hope, Matrix will be the E-Mail-Version of Chat in the future. I have reviewed some systems for my university and it was the only one from which I think it has the potential to do so. So, give it a try. It's great.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Also on niche side because it's a realtime encrypted data server you can also use it for transferring ANY realtime data, such as games and VR (see https://thirdroom.io/landing).

It really sets it apart to other federated systems like ActivityPub, or email to me, which those systems are better for eventually consistent data federation.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

i guess they'll actually be done Summer next year

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Matrix Spec Change. It's how the Matrix protocol evolves, similar to the RFCs (requests for comments) used by Internet Engineering Task Force protocols.

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 3 points 8 months ago

Matrix spec change

Think RFC

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