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submitted 1 year ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca
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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

How much of that do we think is down to the steamdeck? (and I guess similar form factor alternatives)

I guess Intel dropping the ball on being competitive for a couple of generations probably hasn't helped either

[-] alessandro@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How much of that do we think is down to the steamdeck? (and I guess similar form factor alternatives)

GPU VanGogh (the name Steam gives to SteamDeck GPU) is currently ~40% of the whole Linux userbase on Steam; so, yeah. pretty much everything.

I guess Intel dropping the ball on being competitive for a couple of generations probably hasn’t helped either

Intel has never been competitive in terms of GPUs. PCs running Intel iGPUs are machines waiting for a 'real' GPU and the like. Intel Arcs are relatively too young to have a significant weight in the totality of the userbase: naturally, for the sake of Linux, one hopes that Intel can gain more weight... specifically against Nvidia which is currently the only company to have exclusively closed source drivers

[-] Artemis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

That implies that the remaining 60% non-vangogh GPU is evenly split between AMD and Nvidia which is still interesting given Nvidia's much higher market share. That does line up with the general disposition of Linux users - dislike of tech giants

[-] alessandro@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

There's actually a practical problem with Nvidia.

People that use Linux don't have a single set of reference like, let's say "Windows 10 or Windows 11": there are tons of different Linux flavor you can try by simply boot a CD/USB dongle with full Vulkan support... except if it's Nvidia: since Nvidia closed source driver are restricted in distribution an/or packaging meager.

In short: with AMD/Intel GPU you got latest updated driver coming right to the very core of the OS (right in the Linux's kernel), it doesn't matter which Linux you boot, ~100% GPU driver works flawlessly

...on the other side with Nvidia? Good luck with that!

[-] RandomException@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

I have to say I haven't had an issue with Nvidia graphics on Linux in... ummm... 10 years I guess? I used to switch between Nvidia and AMD GPUs but for the last 7 years it's only been Nvidia in my computer. Now, I would love to try the latest AMD stuff but there's one critical problem:

AMD choosing to only provide open source drivers is absolutely great except for one thing: They lack the HDMI 2.1 support on Linux because HDMI Forum doesn't allow that to be open sourced for some reason. I also happen to use an LG C2 42" "monitor" on my work desk for the great real estate and I really need the HDMI 2.1 support. So now I'm stuck with Nvidia GPUs until either AMD can implement the HDMI 2.1 support for their Linux drivers or I feel like replacing the insanely expensive monitor for something equivalent or maybe better with a DisplayPort connectivity.

[-] Artemis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting, thanks for enlightening me! That is very much ‘tech giant’ behavior

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

FYI it's amd that named it vangogh not steam.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

There is also the fact that many linux users don't want Intel Management Engine on their chip. Its a mini OS on the chip without opensource code.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

I think a good amount of that is gonna be Steam Decks, maybe to a lesser extent custom APU-based builds for things like HTPCs.

To be honest, if I was looking at building a new Linux based gaming rig now, it would likely be all AMD, especially given their recent open source moves with the EFI/Agisa or whatever it's called. Not to mention the excellent linux driver support for their GPUs in comparison to Nvidia.

Just wish AMD would standardise their GPU naming scheme because it's confusing for people like me who aren't following it ☹️ the last time I understood their naming scheme there were RX460/RX470/RX480, then next year RX560/RX570/RX580, but now it's RX 7600 7900XT, 7900XTX 😵

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Among all PC gamers? Probably less than 5%.

[-] rikudou 10 points 1 year ago

Fuck Nvidia after they removed the only thing I really cared about - GameStream. Never owned a graphics card that isn't from Nvidia (if you don't count integrated Intel), now I'm gonna actively avoid them.

[-] Meruten@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Removing gamestream was a dick move. The only real reason to own a shield tv pro.

[-] rikudou 1 points 1 year ago

I like Shield in general, it's a great device, but for me it was the only reason to buy an nvidia card.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Modest team red 1080p old guy rig -- represent 🖖🏻

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[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Steamdeck here from me :)

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