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[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 124 points 11 months ago

It's because people want to imagine themselves as a hero, engaging in one on one combat. A knight or samurai.

They don't want to imagine themselves as a barely trained serf in a block with 30 other people holding 3m long pikes trying not to shit yourself as arrows start to rain down.

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Shit, even in one on one martial combat, give me range and I'll take it. Knife < Sword < Spear < Bow

[-] deeznutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 11 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < trebuchet

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet < arbalists thrown by trebuchets

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet < arbalists thrown by trebuchets < napalm thrown by trebuchets

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Just don't miss with the crossbow...

[-] blackluster117@possumpat.io 3 points 11 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < WA 2000 < trebuchet

[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 4 points 11 months ago

The most elegant weapon.

[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

By the time of 3m pikes most infantry would be receiving pretty decent training.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 103 points 11 months ago

It was only folded so many times because the ore on Honshu is pretty low grade and had to have the carbon worked out of it more than European steel.

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 51 points 11 months ago

Wait, you mean it's not because it gives me the ability to part steel plate in a single slash?

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

You only get that when you fold it 69 times.

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Wow you must be a novice if you still need to slash. A true bushido master needs can cut steel without unsheathing the blade.

[-] Raxiel@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Only if you don't look at it afterwards

[-] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

As I understand it, it wasn't to work the carbon out of it, but instead to simply evenly spread the impurities throughout the whole sword, so there weren't any specific points of weakness

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Obligatory "It wasn't folded 1000 times, it was folded 11 times giving it more than a thousand folds." Fun fact, the older traditional Japanese forges were basically assembled from mud found right there on the rivers where they found their low grade iron, and this process was kept alive by spiritualism and tradition conservatives, so it's honestly a miracle they assembled anything long and sharp at all. Most of the iron in Japan is considered low grade Pyrite at only 46% iron, while other places in the world had access to Magnetite with up to 72% iron before any refining.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Traditional tomahogonany is still made in small quantities in mud furnaces.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 68 points 11 months ago

Long stick > any other melee weapon

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

Gotta have that reach.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 11 months ago

Aliens see us as the water balloon planet.

[-] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This just in- being able to hurt your enemy from farther away than they can hurt you conveys a large tactical advantage. More at 11.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I think a shield and sword together are better than a spear https://youtu.be/uLLv8E2pWdk?si=vXiyUTTnSbIq-vC8

[-] lud@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Wait until you hear about Spears with shields.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago
[-] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Ancient Greek and Rome used them quite a lot, as I know.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The famous Roman legion rarely engaged in formation combat with sword and shield, more often Fighting started with spear and shield and moved to sword and shield.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Also Vikings iirc

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[-] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 11 months ago

Even for all who had swords, their primary assault weapon was usually some form of pointy murder stick, usually handheld and horse-propelled

[-] Tankton@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

The sword is the pistol of ancient times whereas the sprear is the assault rifle.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That analogy bothers me more than it should because pistols are generally cheaper than assault rifles (but I get your point)

[-] yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network 37 points 11 months ago

Chinese Soldiers: “What if we put a sword on a stick and call it a day?”

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 14 points 11 months ago

It isn't folded 1000 times, only about 10 times.

[-] GorgeousWalrus@feddit.de 41 points 11 months ago

In fairness, this would give you 1024 layers ;)

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

That's the point. The number of layers is over 1000.

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago

Sir, your fedora is showing

But really, its a sword not noodles (which are folded when made by hand)

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Superior Japanese noodles, folded over 1000 times.

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

The reason I know this is because I'm watching this channel: https://youtube.com/@LetsaskShogo

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

You need to arm 100 guys? 100 spears is a lot cheaper and easier to train than 100 swords.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

pokes oh hey didn't see you from all the way over here.

[-] Szwajcer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

Present in very many cultures as well. Be it called yari, ji, iklwa or sarissa they are all long pokey sticks.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sharpening a stick regardless of length is probably one of the easiest ways to get a weapon

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago
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