Dutch cops beat up pro-Palestine protesters (i.imgur.com)

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Alleged context (feel free to correct if you have info in comments):

After Israeli Maccabi hooligans terrorized Amsterdam, the Dutch government demonized the pro-Palestine movement and banned protests. People came to protest anyways (peacefully)

The police arrested peaceful protesters and put them in a bus. They were driven to a parking lot. The police released them from the bus in a parking lot near a station.

While the protesters were walking to the station the police started hitting them. Allegedly for not moving fast enough.

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[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I know the billionaires are the main course but when the revolution comes, we're gonna have bacon as an appetizer aren't we?

[-] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 20 hours ago

@lalehamirali on instagram has reported this whole event in their story. But here’s a summary:

There was a peaceful protest on Amsterdam dam square. Due to the events with maccabi hooligans the city decided that protests are not allowed in the city until Thursday (today). Trough court decision the protest of Wednesday evening was allowed after all, but not in certain locations like the dam square. So the police considered the protest illegal.
After a while the police started surrounding the protesters and called on them to leave and go to the assigned protest location.
When the protesters didn’t leave, there were told by the cops to get into a bus that would bring them to the assigned location.
Protesters didn’t comply and were forcibly put into the bus that they thought would bring them to the assigned location.
Instead they were brought to a parking lot in the outskirts of the city. This is a tactic the police uses often to end protests they deem illegal or ‘dangerous’, because it allows them to end the protest without arresting all protesters. It’s on the protesters to get home safely (which can be very tricky because sometimes this happens at night when there is no public transport and not everyone will have their phone/money on them).
There was no police on the parking lot so the protesters thought they could just leave and try to get home.
Laleh says in their story that apparently someone in the bus, when most people had already left, broke a window.
This resulted in lots of police coming to the parking lot and basically hunting on protesters who are trying to run away to safety. You can see in Laleh’s story how panicked everyone is because they don’t know what’s going on and the police just keeps going after them and hitting them, resulting in people having to run into nettle bushes and ditches. This goes on for a while and according to Laleh about 3/4 of the people in the bus were arrested.

Mainstream news has reported on the violence (one of the rare occasions that they actually do that) and police is ‘investigating’ the incident.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Thank you for the context!

[+] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -17 points 19 hours ago

So they participated in an illegal protest and then are surprised police used violence to stop it after giving warnings?

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 11 points 15 hours ago

Why would violence be the appropriate / expected result in your mind?

[+] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -6 points 14 hours ago

Using violence to enforce the law and government decree is literally the job of the police.

[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

The job of the police is to enforce law and government decree without violence. Violence is just a tool they have access to, but it doesn't mean it should be used for every kid and granny.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 14 hours ago

That's a silly way to word it, that normalizes violent behavior. It's a common tactic / tool they use, but more accurately:

"enforce the law and government decree is literally the job of the police."

Violence, at the most cynical, is a common way they do it.

In this case, (not discussing the whole bussing thing), if an arrest was required, say, for the bus damage, it should have been completed with the absolute minimum violence.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

It's not silly. It is the most reasonable lens through which to examine the citizen's relationship with police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Normalizing via speech is entrenching this very problem. I'm not saying this thread is gonna tip the scales, I'm discussing that the above commenter replied as if it's the right response. They are condoning and almost evangelizing the topic (evangelizing is way too active a word, I can't think of a better one, but this one is too much).

I think there's distinction between your raising the issue that police have a monopoly on violence, and their commenting that violence is their job. Given the context, it comes off as they are saying "it is correct and GOOD that the police met this group with violence."

I contend it is not appropriate, but accept that is is common (even systemically so)

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -3 points 14 hours ago

Arresting a person in a pissed off crowd isn’t exactly easy.

What we see in the video is the end of police enforcing dispersal of the crowd. We don’t see the repeated non violent orders to disperse that preceded this.

The people in the video participated in an illegal protest and ignored repeated police orders to disperse.

As far as police violence goes, the video isn’t terrible. You even see the cop help up the guy on the ground.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

I agree. This video does not depict a person being “beat up”

[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 7 hours ago

"Illegal protest"

"Uhm, guys, could you please wait until the war is over to protest against genocide in Palestine? Otherwise we'll kick your teeth in."

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

If Russia outlawed protests and their police came to beat up people protesting anyway, would you say the same thing? Or would you laud those protesters as heroes?

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Russia is not a free and democratic country.

In this case the city of Amsterdam only made pro palestine protest illegal for a few days to protect public order after incidents of rioting. Protesting would have been fine just a few days later.

Russia is nothing like that.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

So when the USA resumes conducting illegal detentions, extraordinary renditions, and mass expulsions in a few months, I guess that's just the consequence of living in a free and democratic country, and we should just accept it.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

The temporary ban on demonstrating against the governments complicity in genocide. Out of fear of extreme violence which never manifestaties.

#JustDemocracyThings.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -1 points 14 hours ago

There were several violent riots in the preceding days? First around the football match with lots of injured and then arson in a tram a day later.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Was any of those things done during an organized planned peaceful protest?

[-] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago

How’s that boot taste?

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Says they stopped the protest and bussed them to a second area, and then beat them.

What did you think happened?

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -1 points 14 hours ago

There was rioting at the second area as you know well.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

When you have to work this hard to maintain your worldview, it's not a good sign.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -3 points 14 hours ago

I believe in democracy and rule of law.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Utter non sequitur. This is something someone says to bulwark their worldview to themselves, not to convince others of the merits of their view. You're just proving my point.

The lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others.

[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 16 hours ago

lol, what a summary

[-] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Good to see the Dutch upholding their colonial history

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Good thing it wasn't in Belgium.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago

What are you talking about? Did the Dutch colonize Palestine?

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The Dutch are one of the most evil, bloody and successful colonizers throughout world history. They didn't colonize Palestine, only assisted, but they sure as hell colonized, raped and pillaged their way through many a country in their history. Now they play the good guy Dutch role so we won't make them pay for their atrocities

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Oh, you mean the ancestors of the current Dutch population. Gotcha. Okay, well if we are talking about ancestors, then I guess every ethnic group has had ancestors that colonized somewhere or other, since humans don't live exclusively in the place we evolved. And I'm sure we also agree that people don't have to answer for the crimes of their ancestors, only the crimes we do ourselves.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

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