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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 minutes ago

Wow, that's kind of a lot more Linux than I was expecting, but it also makes sense. Pretty cool tbh.

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 19 points 4 hours ago

So you're telling me that there was a Mac super computer in '05?

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

If I recall correctly they linked a bunch of powermacs together with FireWire.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 33 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So basically, everybody switched from expensive UNIX™ to cheap "unix"-in-all-but-trademark-certification once it became feasible, and otherwise nothing has changed in 30 years.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

Except this time the Unix-like took 100% of the market

Was too clear this thing is just better

[-] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 8 hours ago

Ah hahahaha!!!!

Windows! Some dumbass put Windows on a supercomputer!

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 hours ago
[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

Ironically, even Microsoft uses Linux in its Azure datacenters, iirc

[-] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 4 points 2 hours ago

Good point.

But still, the 30% efficient supercomputer.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

And Mac! Whatever that means 🤣

[-] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 25 points 6 hours ago

Probably need one, just for the benchmark comparisons.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago
[-] superkret@feddit.org 62 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The Big Mac. 3rd fastest when it was built and also the cheapest, costing only $5.2 million.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago

Interesting. It's like those data centers that ran on thousands of Xboxes

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 9 points 6 hours ago

Wha?

(searches interwebs)

Wow, that completely passed me by...

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 hours ago

I think it was PS3 that shipped with "Other OS" functionality, and were sold a little cheaper than production costs would indicate, to make it up on games.

Only thing is, a bunch of institutions discovered you could order a pallet of PS3's, set up Linux, and have a pretty skookum cluster for cheap.

I'm pretty sure Sony dropped "Other OS" not because of vague concerns of piracy, but because they were effectively subsidizing supercomputers.

Don't know if any of those PS3 clusters made it onto Top500.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

Makes me think how PS2 had export restrictions because "its graphics chip is sufficiently powerful to control missiles equipped with terrain reading navigation systems"

[-] onionsinmypores@sh.itjust.works 1 points 47 minutes ago

That's so friggin cool to think about!

[-] infeeeee@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It was 33rd in 2010:

In November 2010, the Air Force Research Laboratory created a powerful supercomputer, nicknamed the "Condor Cluster", by connecting together 1,760 consoles with 168 GPUs and 84 coordinating servers in a parallel array capable of 500 trillion floating-point operations per second (500 TFLOPS). As built, the Condor Cluster was the 33rd largest supercomputer in the world and was used to analyze high definition satellite imagery at a cost of only one tenth that of a traditional supercomputer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster

https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hires/playstations.jpg

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 hours ago

Oh Xserve, we hardly knew ye 😢

[-] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

Mac is a flavor of Unix, not that surprising really.

[-] theotherben@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 hours ago

Mac is also also derived from BSD since it is built on Darwin

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Apple had its current desktop environment for it's proprietary ecosystem built on BSD with their own twist while supercomputers are typically multiuser parallel computing beats, so I'd say it is really fucking surprising. Pretty and responsive desktop environments and breathtaking number crunchers are the polar opposites of a product. Fuck me, you'll find UNIX roots in Windows NT but my flabbers would be ghasted if Deep Blue had dropped a Blue Screen.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

As someone who worked on designing racks in the super computer space about 10 q5vyrs ago I had no clue windows and mac even tried to entered the space

[-] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 hours ago

about 10 q5vyrs ago

Have you been distracted and typed a password/PSK in the wrong field 8)

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

Lol typing on phone plus bevy. Can't defend it beyond that

[-] superkret@feddit.org 18 points 8 hours ago

There was a time when a bunch of organisations made their own supercomputers by just clustering a lot of regular computers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_X_(supercomputer)

For Windows I couldn't find anything.
If you google "Windows supercomputer", you just get lots of results about Microsoft supercomputers, which of course all run on Linux.

[-] olosta@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

No there was HPC sku of Windows 2003 and 2008 : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2003#Windows_Compute_Cluster_Server

Microsoft earnestly tried to enter the space with a deployment system, a job scheduler and an MPI implementation. Licenses were quite cheap and they were pushing hard with free consulting and support, but it did not stick.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

but it did not stick.

Yeah. It was bad. The job of a Supercomputer is to be really fast and really parallel. Windows for Supercomputing was... not.

I honestly thought it might make it, considering the engineering talent that Microsoft had.

But I think time proves that Unix and Linux just had an insurmountable head start. Windows, to the best of my knowledge, never came close to closing the gap.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

At this point I think it's most telling that even Azure runs on Linux. Microsoft's twin flagship products somehow still only work well when Linux does the heavy lifting and works as the glue between

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

But, surely Windows is the wrong OS?

Windows is a per-user GUI... supercomputing is all about crunching numbers, isn't it?

I can understand M$ trying to get into this market and I know Windows server can be used to run stuff, but again, you don't need a GUI on each node a supercomputer they'd be better off with DOS...?

[-] Badabinski@kbin.earth 3 points 3 hours ago

I could see the NT kernel being okay in isolation, but the rest of Windows coming along for the ride puts the kibosh on that idea.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

But, surely Windows is the wrong OS?

Oh yes! To be clear - trying to put any version of Windows on a super-computer is every bit as insane as you might imagine. By what I heard in the rumor mill, it went every bit as badly as anyone might have guessed.

But I like to root for an underdog, and it was neat to hear about Microsoft engineers trying to take the Windows kernel somewhere it had no rational excuse to run, perhaps by sheer force of will and hard work.

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[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago
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[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago

When you really have to look deep into god's mind you just have to put templeOS on a supercomputer.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You mean the NA/Mixed category?
Probably mostly z/OS and BS2000.
Or actually a mix between Linux and Unix.

[-] BallsandBayonets 2 points 1 hour ago

How can there be N/A though? How can any functional computer not have an operating system? Or is just reading the really big MHz number of the CPU count as it being a supercomputer?

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[-] virku@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Would the one made out of playstations be in this statistic?

[-] superkret@feddit.org 19 points 8 hours ago

I think you can actually see it in the graph.
The Condor Cluster with its 500 Teraflops would have been in the Top 500 supercomputers from 2009 till ~2014.
The PS3 operating system is a BSD, and you can see a thin yellow line in that exact time frame.

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