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All the news on his speech seems to be about HS2 but I think that this is important too.

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[–] ndru@lemmy.world 140 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trans people are literally just trying to get on with their lives while bigots obsess about them.

The same type of people said the same things about women getting the vote, interracial couples, and homosexuality.

I hope history continues to move in the right direction and leave these nosey fucks as nothing more than shameful memories.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hey, will you look at the time!

Its 'generate political cover for the Tories privatizing the NHS' o'clock again!

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Tonight on BBC news, loads of shit happened in the world but strangely we're started with "The NHS is failing" as top headline, again

🧐

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 years ago

Imagine knowing the last 13 years of Tory rule have been such a disaster that you have to spend all your time whipping up a fury against .01% of the population in the gutter press to the point where transphobic hate crimes have risen in Britain by like 60%

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Well, looks like he is a bit behind on sciences. Maybe a few decades or so. Not unusual for a politician.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

He is a despicable right-conservative populist who obviously says this for all the wrong reasons but that does not change the fact that the statement by itself is a correct one. Humans can change their gender, that is possible because gender is a more or less internalised, socio-cultural and therefore psychological construct. The sex of a human on the other hand is an inherent, biological and physiological quality, written into each cells DNA. Therefore the sex of a person could only be changed by replacing chromosomes in every single cell of the individuals body. I very much hope for all trans people that it will become medically possible to change their sex in the future but at this point it is simply not medically possible and to deny this truth will not make the lifes of trans people better.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your definitions of sex and gender are not in universal use, and they are not the definitions used by Sunak. So his statement was not "correct", because what it meant was not correct.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your definitions of sex and gender are not in universal use

Interesting! What definitions are in universal use?

I think my definitions of sex and gender and the definitions of the Council of Europe seem pretty congruent though:

Sex refers to “the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females, such as reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones, etc.”

Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed

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and they are not the definitions used by Sunak

Good point, I assume that he (as the conservative-populist he is) probably meant to say gender when he said sex and that he wanted to imply that people can not change gender (which is obviously false because gender is a social construct and not an inherent biological quality).

All that does not change the fact that the statement "people can not change their sex" itself is a correct one though. As far as I understand logic, if somebody says something correct while meaning something incorrect, that does not change the true statement into a false one.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What definitions are in universal use?

No definition is in universal use.

meant to say gender when he said sex

He meant to say exactly what he said, and it was incorrect. He was not using your definition of sex. He was using it in the same sense as "I had a sex change operation".

Or "Now I want to change the sex on my birth certificate". Do you also chime in to inform people it's wrong to do that?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's really not necessary to bend over backwards to defend him. If he was talking about chromosomes he'd have had no reason to say anything because it would just been a pointless non sequitur with no political relevance. He obviously meant it as an attack against trans people's existence.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I never defended him and I don´t get why you project such nonsense on me after I clearly wrote:

He is a despicable right-conservative populist who obviously says this for all the wrong reasons but that does not change the fact that the statement by itself is a correct one.

Are you unable to separate between the person and the statement?

[–] Miimikko@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Is this your idea of bending over backwards to defend someone?