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Also: how do you identify a work as peer reviewed?

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

The discussions here are a bit prosaic, though valid, but on a higher philosophical view you can check Descartes Discourse on the method. It is the basis of all natural sciences and the philosophical foundation of science and rational truth establishment. Maybe grab an explaineer on those ideas.

There are further developments that discuss the sociological proceeds of the scientific community. But the best start point is to always check any statement of truth and fact for four things: controversies, criticisms, corrections and praises. With those four elements you can assert for yourself the credibility of a source's claims.

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 6 points 3 hours ago

A small thing, and only for "creator" content and people. If they say multiple things, some you know about and some you don't, then evaluate the stuff you know. If you detect bullshit in the stuff you know, throw it all out.

Someone that lies on one thing is fully untrustworthy.

Clearly doesn't work when you are wrong.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I dont have an answer other than vet with an authority you trust (be it wikipedia, a teacher a friend, a parent)

But this is not a stupid question. Its probably the most important question when making a decision in this modern techno era to have an answer for yourself

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

I'm not checking things for peer review, but a lot of bullshit can be filtered out by a simple Google search. If Aunt Brenda posts a major event on Facebook, but it's not on any news site, she probably fell for a lie.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 7 hours ago

It's peer reviewed if it has the name of a peer-reviewed journal on it. If it's on arxiv (a pre-print server) it's not. (Or not yet, or published on several platforms/journals.)

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

It’s peer reviewed if it has the name of a peer-reviewed journal on it.

Where do journals indicate that they are?

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

A lot of them will have a front matter, a Wikipedia article. Be cited a lot. And you'll find them in a university library. You might even have access to a library's catalogue without being a student or member. Being peer-reviewed will be in the description.

And the bogus "journals" are kind of well-known. I think you'll find information with a simple Google search.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_journals

"peer-reviewed" is always within the first sentences if you click on something.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don't fully believe anything I can't test and verify myself. Thank fuck NASA left things on the moon you can ping to prove they went there and it's easy to prove the planet isn't flat, otherwise I'd be in trouble.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

...Does NASA have something on the web that lets people ping the Moon, by any chance?

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Sorta...

We left a bunch of retro-reflectors up there, if you got really good aim and a sensitive detector, you can bounce lasers off the moon. If you science hard enough you can probably pull it off.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

If its peer reviewed then it should go through the experimental setup, the data and accompanying math. They can be evaluated by anyone with enough basic knowledge with math usually being the limiting factor. For example there was this study about animal intelligence that the criteria was if they could recognize themselves in a mirror. Birds and dolphins made the cut but not dogs. My complaint was it was biased to animals where vision was their more primary sense. Now im not an expert in the field but I can still find fault in that way.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Though, that's not peer review. What you're describing is reproducibility. And that's the very minimum to qualify as science. If it doesn't describe the experiment well enough so an expert can follow it... It's not even proper science.

Peer review means, several expert in that domain already took some time to go through it and point out flaws, comment on the methodology and gave a recommendation to either publish it or fix mistakes. It's not the ability to do it, but that it actually already happened. And it has to be other researchers from the same field.

And there is even another possible step after that, if an independent other research group decides to reproduce the experiment and confirm and verify the results.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

if its peer reviewed.

You kinda glossed right over that didnt you? Maybe an edit is in your future?

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yeah, but the question was: how does someone find out something is peer reviewed? And phrasing it like this is silly... It's peer reviewed if it's peer reviewed... That's a tautology. Sure it's true. But it doesn't mean anything. And if you take the implication the other way round (as I did), it's wrong. That's what I pointed out. Minus the tautology part.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 4 hours ago

I know what peer review is, its just that peer reviewed things also tend to be scientific studies. I mean I know there are studies of studies and such.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 4 hours ago

Fair enough. Maybe we had a different understanding of OP's question. I took it to mean, how can I find out a given article/paper has been reviewed... And that's not done by looking if it looks scientific, but if the review process has happened.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Has nothing to do with OPs question. You missed the very first sentence to the comment your first responded to

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, I pointed out my reasoning in the other comment to my reply. Sure, if it's proper peer reviewed since, it'll follow the process. But that doesn't answer OP's question. I agree, however. If it's proper science, it's proper science. I just wanted to stick with the question at hand. And there is no causal relationship between peer-review and reproducibility, other than that it's both part of science. So I got mislead by the ... if ... then ... phrasing.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Your reasoning doesn't matter if it's being applied to the wrong problem.

This is not about OP.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Sure. I don't want to argue. I took it as that, since it was a direct reply to a specific question. And i think my short outline of what the word means is mostly correct.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

No one said it wasn't correct... Why did you even bring that up?!? You accused the person you first replied to it, describing a process that isn't the peer review process, skipping that they used the process they described only on something that is already peer reviewed...

I was(perhaps a poor attempt) trying to be a bit silly but pointing out a mistake you made accusing them of something they didnt do. But you just dont want to let it go and keep drilling deeper. Its quite surprising to me you can't just say, oh whoops, and carry on

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

That is because the first 4 or so words are about the topic. And then is a long paragraph describing something else. And I didn't do any accusations. I pointed out that those several sentences are about reproducibility and not to be mistaken for the topic at hand. And they are. So I don't get it, I don't think I made any whoopsie. I just pointed out that we're now talking about a different topic and reproducibility isn't review. Which is true... Seems to me everyone is right? I don't see any factual disagreement here. And if my "accusation" is saying they talked about reproducibility... That's kind of what happened?!

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

There are different standards in different fields of knowledge. Medical science is different than journalism, which is different from history, which is different from public safety.

In general, a given field has sources that publish information with the highest standard of credibility. In many fields, these are peer-reviewed journals. They may be published by large universities (Harvard Law Review, Oxford Review of Economic Policy), by government bodies (e.g. Smithsonian Magazine, NIHR), by professional organizations (eg. JAMA, Annals of Internal Medicine), or operate independently (e.g. The Lancet, Nature).

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

The short answer is you don't. Even in philosophy, a leading model of "truth" is something like "a statement is true if it's true". We humans are doomed to be confused and unsure.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago
[-] sircac@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The main point is to be able to handle uncertainties in a normal basis, the greyness of reality, despite the temptation of blacks and whites of our minds.

For sure it costs a lot. The consideration of the superposition of possible truths and the weight of potential biases is a huge burden without granted full coverage, but allows you to accumulate a landscape of plausibility of things: yes, is not 100% precise and is still built by personal prejudices but, with a systematic acceptance of new bits of information regardless of how comfortable they are, it can grow a mostly reliable understanding of reality with a variable amount of temporary uncertainty on some facts… and you can still convert greys into quasi-b&w once they reach a decent amount of independent evidences, you now, to free a bit your RAM.

PS: Peer review is neither 100% perfect, is just more solid.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Credibility is earned by being consistently credible. A source that posts misleading or false articles can be assumed to not be credible, and I don't trust them just like I don't trust people who say stuff that ends up being not credible.

With newer information, concensus between difference sources us a good indicator as well.

What I am far more likely to use to dismiss something is checking out the purpose of the group. If they have a website and their description sounds like a weasel pretending to be a benevolent protector of a hen house then I just ignore them. Anything that sounds pie in the sky, like revolutionizing or disrupting an established industry is probably another Theranos and easily dismissed. If they say anything that sounds like conservative doublespeak, they get ignored.

It seems to be a pretty reliable system even if the occasional thing that is too good to be true slips in because I want it to be true. But having low expectations and recognizing potential being different from the results helpas a lot with being pleasantly surprised when things turn out better than they sounded.

[-] Mickey7@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

If we can agree that all "news" sites slant to the right or the left. Then you should check out the story at a few of both leaning sites.

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