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[-] coronach@lemmy.sdf.org 99 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reminds me of Brandalism

Here's an example!

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

You should post that to the Wikipedia community.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 160 points 2 days ago

This is why it's important to remember that in any revolution, resistance, or targeted action, it's the police that are the first enemy. They'll be the ones that respond first, and will likely toe the line the most reliably.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

2nd Amendment is usually a punchline, but it may become necessary

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Why do you think your police has been militarized so hard over the past few decades ?

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Tbh, it always has been.

The only problem is that we've been set up so that the people that are most likely to oppose the worst case scenario are the ones least likely to be both armed and willing to fight.

Just wait, though. If things slide the way they could, it won't be long before the party policy shifts against armed citizens.

[-] Apathy@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

At this point it would be better usage of money to make it a surveillance state instead of a police state, cameras won’t shoot you

[-] ealoe@ani.social 3 points 1 day ago

That's what I think when I see deadly high speed chases occuring, like unless the person is imminently trying to harm others could they maybe just wait for him to drive home and then make an arrest?

[-] Apathy@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

So keeping track of the suspect movement while also planning for actions based on gathered information? I doubt cops with 6 months training have the patience for something like that

[-] coronach@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 2 days ago

It's also a surveillance state at this point.

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[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 2 days ago

so is this ad meant to push people to pay the fare or to start a revolution?

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

When shouting DefundThePolice/PoliceReform is seen as offensive, this is how you convince the people.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago

It's saying the quite part out loud about the normalized police state we live in.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'd say a bit of both. The numbers they showed for it if I remember was that they spent $150m to catch like $100,000 of fares that were skipped. Then throw in 4 people dead and you didn't do much to help. You just made it more miserable for people travelling.

With fares making up 23% of your income, and payroll taking up over 30% of expenses... Odds are they could cut the number of guards patrolling tolls, ticket sales people, customer service reps, maintenance workers for all the machines/guard terminals etc by a shit ton and make the transportation free, and offset the costs elsewhere. It would also likely boost the economy of the area, do to people not needing to scrape together a couple dollars to take the train and spending it at businesses they otherwise may normally avoid do to costs or not having that extra few dollars.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

Well, I’ll give you an update here as I have boots on the ground:

They cut back on the amount of cops on the platforms now—but now every single exit door has a private guard (one of those rent a cop companies). So now they’re bringing privatized security into the mix. But there are still cops on the platforms! Just not as many at the door because they’ve hired some security guards to have the same effect an MTA person has, which means they can’t really do shit if you don’t let them stop you.

So a slightly different way to waste money.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago

In Ontario, asshole political leader Doug Ford is trying to stop free public transit by paying for transit cops out of the provincial budget. That way no one can make the payment you just made. Can we have the same amount of money to spend on improving public transit? No. The only thing fearless leader Doug Ford fears more than free public transit is good public transit.

What a bag of dicks. Watch other conservative states and provinces follow his lead!

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/doug-ford-announces-money-for-cops-asylum-seekers-in-ottawa-no-new-transit-funds-1.7098980

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Well he also fears bike lanes.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

Conservatives are scared of EVERYTHING.!

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago

NY transit starts getting complaints about an ad they have no idea about.

"No, m'mam, we don't have a death penalty policy.....no......no m'man, I don't know what poster you saw....."

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 115 points 2 days ago

"but yes m'aam we did shoot and kill 4 human beings for cheating us out of the 2.90 fare"

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

The fun part is of the 4 people shot, only the one had skipped the fare. Two were bystanders, one was another cop.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

So only three people got shot.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago

Fortunately none of them died as far as I can find. Surgeons had to crack open the skull of the bystander they shot in the back of the head to relieve his brain swelling though. I hope he recovers because he's gonna be set for life.

They spent 150 million on overtime for cops to stop fare evasion. How much were they losing in fares? I'm gonna go ahead and guess it wasn't even a teeny fraction of that.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago

They spent 1500x more on enforcement than they could have ever recovered from fare evaders. Just like every single other monitoring and enforcement program for public services.

Has there ever been a single program like that which is actually a net positive? Fare enforcement, food stamps means testing, public services with drug screens, "welfare queen" check ups, means testing, etc. I'm not aware of a single instance where it wouldn't have been cheaper just to let a few people get benefits that "didn't deserve them" than putting these restrictions in place

But God's forbid we let poor people have nice things, or just to do good things for our society. Goddamned toxic puritanicalism. ..

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Absolutely right. Brings to mind something I read a while ago which I will paraphrase.

"Liberals want everyone to get what they need even if a few cheat the system. Conservatives want nobody to get what they need if there's a chance anyone will cheat the system."

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[-] ealoe@ani.social 1 points 1 day ago

The fare enforcement was of course a huge overreach and waste of resources, spending something absurd like 1000x what it recovered. The cops didn't shoot people over a fare, they shot because someone pulled a knife on them, after trying to use a Taser which failed. Not really sure what else people expect will result if someone pulls a knife on someone with a gun, cop or not.

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[-] Apathy@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Hello, don’t forget to drink water

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 12 points 2 days ago

Please transcribe images of text for the blind

[-] monolalia@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

SKIP THE FARE? EXPECT THE DEATH PENALTY

On September 15th, the NYPD shot four people over the $2.90 fare

OMNY

So the NYPD can double tap and go

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It says OMNY. It's a payment system for the subway

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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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