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It looks like the ex-DDG employee got the details wrong, and read the slides backwards.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 86 points 11 months ago

Nah, they're definitely doing this. I searched for my itch fame page on Google with my username, and it didn't come up in the search. But sure enough things I could buy came up in the search.

Then I went to duckduckgo and searched the exact same thing and my page was first I. The results, it even had all of my games as search result hits as well.

Google is most definitely showing you search results other than what you searched for.

[-] SpacePace@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

I'm so reluctant to agree with you... I imagine Google threatened legal action in this case

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Does lemmy.world not let you edit your comments?

[-] porkchop@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Test

Edit: yes, you can

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Must be a connect thing. I can't seem to edit my comments from this App.

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[-] SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Yes, speaking from experience building ads on Google.

You're tracked with an anonymized id. If they're able to remotely tell any of your past activity or similar searches by others searching for the same term, then they will alter results.

This is especially true for any paid ads that appear since companies can bid to appear higher on competitor terms or names.

I can even say "if someone downloaded x-z specific apps on their phones, then consider them interested in my ad".

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago

Or, another explanation is that more people are interested in things they can buy than in you (and I understand how hard it might be to believe in that), and Google algorithms "know" that

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Pretty sure when I search my username plus a specific website I should get back results from that website...

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[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 59 points 11 months ago

While there’s no doubt that something is going on to make Google searches garbage, news outlets don’t publish retractions lightly. I’m inclined to believe that they are convinced that the story was substantially inaccurate.

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 59 points 11 months ago

Google has been giving me far far shittier results over the last 5-10 years. It's crazy to think, but in my opinion it was WAY more accurate years ago than it is today at giving me what I blatantly searched for.

[-] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 11 months ago

It's not just Google. The Internet has been getting worse over the last years. People don't make sites any more. Blogs have moved to closed and centralized social media platforms. Forums are rarely used, most communities moved to platforms like reddit and Discord.

Most of these platforms make finding content very difficult. You won't find articles posted on Facebook, Twitter threads and Discord discussions in search engines. You have to create an account on their platform, then use their shitty search (or be subscribed to the right people) to see it.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Kagi sucks for this reason too. I can't believe people recommend that $200/yr paid search engine garbage.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Put another way, spam sites have become more effective at defeating anti-webspam measures.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

At the very least, it's no better than the alternatives any more. Whenever I put Duck Duck Go up against Google, I get very similar results, other than all the extra ads on Google.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Same experience.
I'll click on a page, scroll for a bit, get frustrated, Ctrl-F for the active part of my search string, and not find it.
I left Google because of that but it followed me to Duck Duck Go.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago

I guess Google threatened to sue Wired? It's pretty obvious that Google is showing profitable products and click farms instead of relevant information you're actually looking for.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago

My mom almost got scammed while buying tickets online because google placed an ad site before the real site in search results. Thankfully she always asks me or my sister before buying stuff online.

[-] fiddlestix@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Same thing happened to me. That was The Day I Dumped Google.

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 28 points 11 months ago

Google has been shit for a while now, innit?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Unless you really like spam from quora and pinterest.

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[-] skip0110@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Now I believe it more than ever

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lemmybrains: You fools! As if I needed evidence to make up my mind.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

They still fuck up "Did you mean...?" to ignore whatever you wrote. Somewhere in the last decade that went from "haha whoops you're right" to "stop talking over me, robot."

[-] willybe@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago
[-] hackris@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Do people deliberately not use archive.org? That's the one I always use but with everyone using these alternatives, I wonder if I should use them too.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Since the lawsuits started? It would seem so. Lots of folks are worried about getting caught up in them, I guess. Enough so that ICanHazPDF is becoming a thing again.

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[-] Deebster@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Apart from that archive.today seemed down yesterday - I was worried they weren't coming back!

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Yeah, the fact our search engine has sucked for a decade has nothing to do with us changing your search. Trust me, bro" - Google's CEO.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I think what's more likely is that Google threatened the hell out of the employee.

[-] Chunk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I don't know if Google threatening the DDG employee would change the situation. Wired published it. If their writer came back and said "I was threatened by a megacorp for my excellent work. Please take it down and tell everyone I was wrong" wired, at very least, would not issue that statement.

[-] trk@aussie.zone 8 points 11 months ago

The discount on the subscription seems super fitting... now with less integrity!

[-] Chunk@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

"oopsie I accidentally wrote the hit piece of the year about my competitor and it turned out to be a lie! Tee hee silly me what even is journalistic integrity?"

This article was a smoking gun. Google is scummy but this was shocking. And it was a fucking lie? I actually hope Google goes after wired. That's not justice against Google that's malpractice.

[-] gr522x@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I'll never understand corporate apologists that live to defend the billion dollar companies ruining the Internet. Google is an ad company, but you can't believe they'd alter search queries to sell ads? How could you possibly trust Google after they've been caught illegally sniffing people's Wi-Fi with their Google Maps vehicles, spying on kids in school with Chromebooks and destroying incriminating documents in a federal court case to hide their actions?

[-] boff@lemmy.one 11 points 11 months ago

Just because they've done some things wrong doesn't mean they have done everything that's wrong. I would rather base my criticism on companies (or people or ideas) on true facts.

That means sometimes there's an uncomfortable situation where an otherwise evil organization isn't always evil in every situation, and that is ok.

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[-] drwho@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Gee. Shocker. If I wasn't on travel right now I'd have put money on this happening.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

I am legitimately trying to figure out why it is people still use Google for anything when we know there are tons of better alternatives out there.

Do people just not know about the alternatives? Do they not know about DuckDuckGo?

[-] Mayonnaise@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

In my experience Google is a bit better than DDG. I tried it out a few years ago and often found myself going back to Google for certain searches. Been using DDG again for a few weeks and having a somewhat similar experience.

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[-] Jako301@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago
  1. Google is the standard. I'd argue that more than 50% of the population doesn't know what a browser or a search engine is. They put their question into whatever textbox they find in chrome and Google gives them their answers.

  2. There are no better alternatives for the general userbase. Other search engines are better for your privacy and may give better results if you know how to use extended search parameters, but very few people even care about all that. Google is the search engine that will give you the best result if you just type in your question.

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[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 3 points 11 months ago

Many don't know about DuckDuckGo and even more don't care.

I should say that DuckDuckGo is generally much more strongly censored and controlled than Google. This won't affect people in say, the US. But in many places around the world (like my country of South Korea), using DuckDuckGo is not realistic as a daily driver without using a VPN or making heavy use of the "!g" bang to fall back to Google (which doesn't blanket censor words). Overall it makes it less accessible.

And I know, part of the reason people use DuckDuckGo in the first place is to avoid region-aware results. But that does not change their censorship policies.

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