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This is a very strict bar with a limiting price requirement. As for the title of the post, I fully mean giving the enjoyable feeling 100% of the time. Put forth the niche games which do this, because I do not know of any popular AAA or popular/fairly big developer indie which does this. The game must be playable for 100 hours at least, or must be replayable with the same enjoyability if it is shorter. This includes older games which have dropped their regular price.

I do not want games which "nearly do this" in your opinion (because I have plenty of those already), but which do this in your opinion. I'm looking for these for a specific reason. Do not want replies like "there's no such thing" because there are. I know of one game which nearly does this completely, while many others which do this in a major degree. And then there are the relatively unknown games which few have ever heard about but are well made, even if drowned in negative reviews (Driftland: The Magic Revival, for example, is a very decent single player real-time-with-pause strategy with bad reviews because it doesn't follow popular norms, and the makers chose to also market the multiplayer which removes the important pause. It is more enjoyable than many popular time-tested AAAs from the 2010s I have played). I've played some games which most people haven't heard about that are really well made.

I'm going to start writing a book series (it will be completely free to download and read, and share) which will follow this method. It is not easy to make such a book such that I've not read more than a very small number of long-ish books which nearly manage it, and that has frustrated me so I'm attempting to do it myself. To go the 100% enjoyable route, I need to know more things which naturally put people in this state. I do such things by experiencing them myself, and once they get there I know this is something which would fit in such a work. Some of the things I've decided on already are—

  • Not-good guys shown to be going exclusively after bad guys
  • Persons making use of technical knowledge and the knowledge of reality in general, making use of them towards a specific end like resolution of problems by their own hand. In a practical manner.
  • Making individuals, who do some or another deed(s) which is intended to harm others, feel loss and pain (not by engaging in cruelty to do so) and generally denying them what they want so they feel pain due to it.

I'm looking to expand on this by knowing more things which give me the feeling.

Any genre and type of game will do, as long as you've played it substantially and the enjoyment comes from only playing the game itself—and not things like talking about it or sharing what happened in it with others. The feeling comes even if you play it alone and have no one to talk to about it.

A game which has 100% enjoyability has no parts which get more frustrating the more you play the game, or replay the game. It doesn't matter if the game has very old graphics (early 1980's as well) or no animation. It doesn't matter if it does not fulfill modern sensibilities like full voice acting. Putting aside all concerns of what a game should be, looking at what a game is—is that 100% enjoyable. I would both like to enjoy such a game as well as possibly learn from it.

Games from any source will do. Thank you if you've read this long post till the end.

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[-] toxicbubble420@beehaw.org 3 points 3 days ago

some of the best cheap games I've played Portal, Stardew, Ori

[-] soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

Tough question.

Of all the games I have played, only few have 100 hours playtime, and all of them are over $10 except for

  • Dwarf Fortress. However, I would have to lie if I said that it is constantly fun. There are gameplay mechanics that are boring, like the labour management (though that got vastly improved in version 50.x).

I do have one game suggestion though that is consistently fun all the time, and costs less than $10 - however I have less than 100 hours on it, because I never looked into the user-generated levels:

  • TIS-100. It's a puzzle/programming game by Zachtronics (so it's in the Zach-like genre by definition), and it is amazing. Also, as said, there are user-generated levels, so even after you finish the main campaign, there's a vast selection of puzzles to solve.
  • Baba is You would go in a similar direction, but misses the $10 price point (by a tiny bit).
[-] rtc@beehaw.org 1 points 3 days ago

Cool. I could still get Baba is You at some point, and I've never played a Zachtronics game before.

I do know one game which 95% meets all conditions put—Heroes of Might and Magic 3's base game without mods so far. The game has a 'fan' trap where they tell just about everyone that a popular mod is either the definitive or best way to play. I played that first. I later played without mods, it was many times more complex and somehow better balanced. I felt abusive because the mod, at that particular time, had a first time load screen which claimed the original makers did not know what they're doing—and merely stating anytime that you prefer it without mods would incite open hostility from many, even when no reference was made to the horrible methods used. The game itself, however, fully utilises having practical knowledge and using it to strategise which method you'll use against your enemies (for example counter attack, drain their armies and resources, or simply charge at them with full freedom of how to go there and to adapt) and giving you freedom with hundreds of possible strategies to play with, and the game involves the simulation of choosing any side who range between the most evil to the lesser evils all fighting each other as similarly minded factions (and doesn't really play into the harm of civilians in the game itself). There is something really enjoyable about it even if some maps could last 10 hours at a moderate pace, and even longer if you simulate a show of force with complete map domination and capture (which can be useful when you can carry over the hero levels to the next map, which is stated beforehand).

I'm playing this currently. I'm also looking into the enjoyability of wholesome sexual content, and the enjoyability of the comedic evasion of characters from people who want to do sexual acts with them but which will only lead to trouble later. But these come later and not from games.

[-] soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

I did play a lot of of HoMaM back in the days - and also just recently installed VCMI on my PC, in order to re-play HoMaM 3. I didn't start with that though - too many other games to play in my backlog... I never tried any mods - I don't even know if the modding scene already existed back in the 90s, when I originally played it. I must confess that I prefer HoMaM 4 over HoMaM 3 - it feels a bit more complex.

There is one game series that is quite similar to Heroes of Might and Magic, that I personally love, and that gets the "fun all the times" and "100 hours play time" easily for me, but I didn't mention it before because the current iterations are way above $10: Dominions. I haven't bought Dominions 6 yet because of the size of my gaming backlog, but I have had a lot of fun with Dominions 4 and 5.

[-] rtc@beehaw.org 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I never looked into that series because I can't afford it. Nevermind, since I have a backlog too…

And perhaps I'll get heroes 4 while I'm at it. The review led me to avoid it at the time. I've played 1–3 so far (not playing the expansion of 2 fully because I didn't like it and playing it regardless turned out to be painful), having never finished the base campaign of 3 let alone the expansions. I could play 4 soon after.

[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The 100 hour mark is a tough one to hit - even some of the best games I've played aren't that long or replayable, and the ones that are usually cost more than $10. Still, here are some to check out if you want. I'll list the price on Steam in Canadian dollars and my current total play time.

  • The Messenger - on sale for $5.19 - 35 hours
  • Infinitode 2 - Free to play - 47 hours
  • Ori and the Blind Forest - on sale for $6.24 - 23 hours
  • Risk of Rain 2 - on sale for $9.56 - 81 hours (new to my library, less than 1 month)
  • Undertale - on sale for $2.74 - 28 hours
[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 5 points 4 days ago

Risk of Rain 2 is amazing, though one thing to hold on to is that the newest DLC had some issues (amazing that a game so old is still getting attention) that you might want to wait to get fixed (since it still affects the base game).

[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

I've heard about that and through multiplayer have been able to experience it. Honestly I prefer the base game without either DLC. Even the Void DLC is too chaotic for my taste.

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 2 points 4 days ago

The void items are pretty good (and the lunar items are pretty bad), but i did enjoy the new DLC - I didn't really experience many issues, but figured it would be worth explaining that it's expected to get a lot of fixes in the coming months and might be worth waiting to see how fixed before buying.

Definitely a great coop game, along with Heroes of Hammerwatch

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 5 days ago

I have a lot of games which were enjoyable 100% of the time, but none which I played for over 100 hours. I'd be absolutely exhausted if I was in "oh neat haha wow!" mode for that long, personally, my dopamine receptors would be fucking fried.

Good luck with your search, and below I have some which fit your criteria outside of the 100 hour requirement.

ListA Short Hike

Beacon Pines

Heart of the Woods

Citizen Sleeper

[-] Domiku@beehaw.org 3 points 4 days ago

Citizen Sleeper was phenomenal. I really liked how it handled branching choices and the limitations of time.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 4 days ago

It really did so much right. Strong recommend for Becky Chambers' Wayfarer books if you enjoyed the writing in sleeper.

[-] Primer81@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

I would also add the following to your list (also outside the 100 hour req, but still 100% enjoyable):

Tiny Terry's Turbo Trip

Outer Wilds

Outer Wilds may be obvious to anyone who has played it, but it would be a shame to leave it unmentioned as it is my favorite game of all time and seemingly universally loved. And Tiny Terry's Turbo Trip is just stupidly entertaining - impossible to stop once you start playing.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 9 points 5 days ago

Outer Wilds is an absolute banger, I don't know how I forgot to mention it.

BTW if you enjoyed OW, play Tunic!

[-] Primer81@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the suggestion! Ill add it to my wishlist 😊 I also added the games I hadn't played from your list so thanks for that as well!

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 4 days ago

Hope you enjoy! Feel free to poke me to talk about any of them if you so desire :)

[-] rtc@beehaw.org 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I didn't receive notifications for these—thank you for the suggestions. There have been complaints about the newer edition of Outer Worlds. Which version is fine to just get and start playing, if I decide to get it?

[-] Primer81@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

Of course! And it's actually Outer Wilds I'm referring to; I haven't played Outer Worlds yet so I can't comment on it. They have very similar names unfortunately so it's easy to mix them up.

[-] rtc@beehaw.org 2 points 5 days ago

Ah yes, I misread it

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[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 days ago

A number of the best games of all time are quite cheap:

Tetris (pretty much any version)

Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 (use OpenRCT2 to run it well on a modern PC)

Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic 2 (use The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod to add back in the stuff the devs had to cut for time, otherwise the ending is disappointing)

Balatro ($9.99 on mobile or $19.99 when bundled with Slay The Spire on Steam)

Slay The Spire

Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead (free and open source)

DOOM (the original, not the 2016 game, very cheap and there are literally millions of mods and community made maps)

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Settlers2 with the Return to Roots together with RCT2 (OpenRCT) as well as Supreme Commander are still racking up hours of my free time

[-] drcouzelis@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

I do not want games which "nearly do this" in your opinion

Do not want replies like "there's no such thing" because there are. I know of one game which nearly does this completely

🤭

But seriously, here's my recommendations.

Doom Eternal, commonly on sale for under $10. I only play the single player campaign. I've played through this game well over a dozen times and I love every minute of it. I can't get enough of it.

Cave Noire, for Game Boy, only released in Japan. It's a turn based, randomly generated roguelite, played in bite sized dungeon challenges. I never knew a turn based game could get my heart pumping so hard! Every time I finish a stage it feels so good and is so fun I need to stop and tell someone about it. 🙂

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 9 points 5 days ago

I've managed to get a few deals over the years that sort of fit the bill.

Hollow Knight when it was on sale, for example. But I abandoned at 98% (it goes to 113%, right?). There are a decent number of other Metroidvania-style games that are frequently discounted and are wholly enjoyable (the Shantae series, Iconoclasts, etc.).

Stardew Valley I found new, in box, for PS4 with audio CD for €8.50 and bought it based on the description without any knowledge of what it was.

Many shmups are meant to be overplayed and remain enjoyable. Radiant Silvergun comes to mind, and there is a bit of a story to that one as well.

[-] rtc@beehaw.org 5 points 5 days ago

I have Hollow Knoght already and was considering starting it recently. Stardew Valley too I have had an eye on. I will take a look at the last.

[-] fri@beehaw.org 9 points 5 days ago

For me, it's games in the immersive sim genre. The Dishonored series and Prey, both made by Arkane studios, I can replay over and over, enjoying every moment of them, exploring alternate paths I haven't tried yet. Deus Ex is another one that fits, especially Deus Ex Human Revolution. These games often go well below $10 during sales - here are their historical lows:

  • Dishonored: $2
  • Dishonored 2: $3
  • Dishonored DOTO: $6
  • Prey: $3
  • DXHR: $3

I also loved every second of The Witness - the puzzles are ingenious, hidden things are super enjoyable, and the community made a randomizer that generates new, harder puzzles to add more content to it. The Witness is at $9.99 now, its historical low.

I know a few people who love factory-building games, optimizing the production and even creating spreadsheets to calculate the perfect production rate. But the two major games in this category don't fit your price criteria (Satisfactory is $15 right now, and Factorio $35 and won't get any lower).

[-] hisao@ani.social 4 points 5 days ago

Prey was very addictive to me. I think I beat it rather fast though, because I just couldn't stop playing.

[-] knokelmaat@beehaw.org 3 points 5 days ago

What are good starting points for the Deus ex series? I've got the original on Steam, but haven't really gotten into it yet, feels very intimidating every time I start. Should I just push through or are there other entry points?

Btw, I loved dishonored 1 but somehow stopped playing, thanks for reminding me to get back to it :).

[-] fri@beehaw.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I completely understand that! It throws you into a mission right from the start, with no easing in. And from the very beginning you can see that the game allows you to choose - do you kill? Do you sneak around? Do you shoot the leader? Do you let him go? What are the consequences of your actions? It's not all clear from the start.

I played the original Deus Ex around 10 years ago. Once you accept the aged visual side of it, the world, characters and plot can easily immerse you till the end. I'd say play the original (maybe with some modern visual mods), then skip to Human Revolution, then Mankind Divided.

I didn't bother with Invisible War and The Fall. I tried them for a moment, but the bugs and clunkiness put me off.

There's also Deus Ex Go, a mobile game that's actually a really good puzzle with fantastic music.

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[-] Sina@beehaw.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Epic gave Celeste to me for free & oh boy it's one of the best games I have ever played. Also got Ocmo on ios for free & it's an incredible game.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

I've never pointed and laughed. I thought that only happened in cartoons.

[-] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you like the cheesy story, Saints Row the Third is wacky awesome fun. It's not 100 hours so you'd have to replay it, but you could do that co-op with a couple of friends. There's nothing quite like bailing out of your fighter jet wearing a hotdog costume and then blowing up half a city block with your rocket launcher on the way down.

Vampire Survivors is a good candidate too, regularly introducing new characters and weapon combos and weird secrets for pretty non-stop dopamine. Maybe you could get 100 hours with the expansions but that seems like a stretch.

Honorable mention to Forza Horizon 4, it's everything Burnout Paradise wished it could be and had a smile on my face nearly the entire time. Although there were a few spots where I set the difficulty too high and/or didn't tune up my car and lost races, so that was less fun, but kind of my own fault. Well over 100 hours on this one, but the base game has only come down to $12 and won't be sold after today!

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[-] ugo@feddit.it 7 points 5 days ago
  • Vampire Survivors
  • Dwarf Fortress

That said, I find it very hard to understand exactly what you are asking for, the post is rambly with a middle section about books that I couldn’t really understand even after 3 rereads.

I think what you are asking for is:

  1. It must be possible to legally acquire the game for 10 usd or less, even if only for a limited time (via discounts or other special offers)
  2. the game must not have any parts that become more frustrating as you play the game (which is how you seem to define 100% enjoyability)
  3. must be playable for 100 hours, or be replayable for that amount of time while being 100% enjoyable throughout
[-] rtc@beehaw.org 3 points 5 days ago

I've not played vampire survivors or survivor likes. I could try it to see myself. Dwarf Fortress too I have had an eye on but it shows many situations which would be obviously frustrating (I enjoy some permanent death games which label themselves as roguelike/roguelite, without frustrating elements). I'd had a look at the ASCII version of Dwarf Fortress a while ago, I find those visuals more appealing in comparison to the steam version. I'll add these to the list of games to play.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

Skyrim. I have 200 hours in and didn't even complete all side quests. I bought it on a sale for 8$.

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[-] Skunk@jlai.lu 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

'Nexus: The Jupiter Incident' fit that description for me. I replayed it so many times trying new spaceships loadouts and strategies.

'Kerbal Space Program', do I need to say more ?

And lastly, 'A Plague Tale Requiem'. It went as low as 2€ and that game broke me on a psychological level because of the story, characters and poetry. I was unable to leave it or think about anything else for months. It’s even worse if you play the first game before.

Edit: No, the last game that got me hooked for hundreds of hours is modded Cyberpunk 2077, but I don’t know if it can be found for 10 bucks.

[-] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Kerbal Space Program', do I need to say more ?

I love KSP, but no way, it's full of challenges that require deliberate planning, patience, persistence and more. e.g. Your first Mun landing, or making a vehicle that can successfully return from Eve. Those are not adrenaline-fueled non-stop thrills, but rather careful exercises in engineering and discipline occasionally punctuated with excitement.

No, the last game that got me hooked for hundreds of hours is modded Cyberpunk 2077, but I don’t know if it can be found for 10 bucks.

Nope, historical low is still like $25.

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[-] subignition@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago

Vampire Survivors is $5, and I got like 90 hours out of it without buying any DLC.

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Nier Automata

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I bought Hollow Knight for €7,50 long while ago and it was such an amazing game. Loved every second of it. The characters, story, world-building, it's all immensely well done and you can notice it's done with their hearts-content.

Another game that I bought on sale, that was below the €10 were the Ori games. The story was incredibly good (especially of the first game), got me teared up at the end lol. and liked the platforming too. Preferred the combat of the second game though.

Quantum Break is another one I bought on sale below €10; The story was decent but got me thinking ''imagine people found an actual way to do this''.

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 days ago

The second Ori game's story is so good and absolutely had me and my wife bawling during it

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[-] hisao@ani.social 4 points 5 days ago

To go the 100% enjoyable route, I need to know more things which naturally put people in this state. I do such things by experiencing them myself, and once they get there I know this is something which would fit in such a work.

Regarding this point, I think one of the most safe and efficient tricks to do this is to keep introducing novelty. If you have a game that has a fairly limited number of distinctive unique things that are introduced quickly and afterwards are simply repeated in different combinations it will less likely have such effect. For example a sandbox that introduces everything in 10h and then 90h you just play around with it will probably not have this effect, it can even become a chore. But a story-driven game which constantly introduces novelty on plot level but also sometimes introduces some new mechanics and content, have big chances to have this effect. In reality it's more complicated, and there are many dimensions to this like challenge/frustration for example. There are games that use frustration as a tool to some extent to make winning certain fights feel exceptionally rewarding (soulslikes is the most popular example). But if you make it too challenging/frustrating there is a risk that player gives up and leaves in state of frustration which makes it a big failure. This particular thing is high-risk/reward type stuff.

[-] rtc@beehaw.org 2 points 5 days ago

I like this detailed answer. Firstly frustration and risk/reward is the opposite of what I'm looking for, the nature is a bit different from what I'm looking to experience. The things I need are not achievement but completeness of concept. To that end even relatively tough action games with the quality of life features to reduce frustration might fit the requirement, as long as the gameplay concepts are "fully thought out"—not only is enough thought given to what you've put in, but the nature of each addition and how it relates to the persons playing them, what it makes them feel… along with the relation with other mechanics to make sure how they go together. Games which use frustration also use this to some extent—but frustration is the opposite of what I'm looking into. The stuff I work it makes the user feel as comfortable as possible—with thought put in to remove all frustration, while simultaneously delivering depth of concept. These two are not incompatible, but requires a lot of thought and effort to deliver. Eventually it goes into the psychological of what people like, why people like them, and what specific feeling causes you to like such a thing. Eventually you go into questions like is such a thing natural—is it something people will like without having a particular mindset, political stance, education… or will it only be enjoyable with any or some of these things and are looking for aligned art.

Then, after understanding these, it comes to making something that anyone can enjoy, as long as they're not coming into it expecting affirmation for the things they believe in. That latter part is up to the user and it is not up to the maker to determine whether a person should like it or not—the emphasis of the maker is on not messing up the process itself, and then to let people react naturally to your work. Of course, the world has an element of malice for the sake of it, but dealing with it in an adequate manner and not be aggressive in general, especially against people who merely want to use your work and know more about it, is important. That is a place many modern makers are failing in. But that is not related to the process of making something itself.

The most important element in this process is making something which isn't malicious—cause harm to anyone for any sort of gain, even to affirm your own thoughts—while, at the same time, pushing the levels of depth in your work till it reaches a natural state of full enjoyment. This is part of the learning process which must be completed before work is started on anything. This last part is what I'm finishing up on. At the moment, usually the deeper you go into art, the more you see things which are inclined with enjoying instances of cruelty—or so it seems many times, but it is not always the case. Understanding to the end the reasons of many things, the things I'm trying to experience, is key to delivering an even deeper work which is not embarrassed of anything, but does not take pleasure in cruelty. The reason for this is not to attract mainstream crowds—which is always going to be hit or miss—but to ensure anyone… mainstream, those who aren't what is called 'normal' (I personally fit into the latter) enjoy the work completely while not feeling the slightest bit unpleasant. The showing of villainy can still be delivered while doing so, by placing importance on structure—whether you show the cruelty for most of the time, and show its resolution for a short amount… or whether you describe what the situation is and then allocate a lot of time to the detailed described resolution of a problem and how it affects the people around.

All these things are, again, to be learnt before starting anything. Understanding the things that people enjoy is most important when structuring your work well—even when you already have made a fully developed idea for a story. These are the things I'm focusing on. I cannot really explain it in detail other than saying pride and achievement are on the opposite side of these things and, as elements, do not really go into the work I want to do. I'm intimately aware of the natures of pride and achievement—mostly the negative aspect, which I'm not going to get into here because I do not consider it my problem to worry how people think, and these explanations are likely to cause debate, no matter how well intentioned either or both sides are. On the other hand, my understanding in the basic nature of enjoyment of a bit limited, and that is what I'm trying to implement when I start my work so I'm trying to change my limited understanding at the moment. Such a thing is possible by experiencing oneself—from any place, such as books, movies, games, people taking action… from anywhere.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There are a lot actually but the first game that came to my mind after reading this was "Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection".

Another one would be "OMORI". But get ready for an emotional rollercoaster.

Edit: I just remembered the $10 requirement, which OMORI doesn't meet even when on sale, yet.

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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Only games I've passed 100 hours on:

Pokemon (multiple versions)

No Man's Sky

Many Paradox games: CK2, CK2, EU4, Stellaris

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

Minecraft not listed?

[-] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago

Donut county and Untitled goose game. Neither is that long (DC is particularly short), but both were super funny and enjoyable.

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