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[–] centof@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is the media really trying to blame the wrong perpetrator just like they did for 9/11? I guess people learned nothing from the US's botched response to 9/11.

It's pretty simple really. Not including the recent attack, Israel has killed 10k+ Palestinians since 2000 vs the ~500 Israelis killed in conflict. It is pretty simple to see why a group of Palestinians would do something like this. They are angry at Israelis oppressing them.

With that being said, their desire for revenge is understandable. There is still no reason to murder innocent Israelis.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't get why both sides bring the innocent into it. The one place for moral high ground and they both double down on the atrocities...

I barely understand how this has gone on for so many generations/centuries, however - does it predate some of the agreed conventions of war?

[–] centof@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My understanding is that after ww2 lots of Jews moved to Israel until they made up a sizable portion of the population of Palestine. There was enough conflict between the 2 races/religions that Britian petitioned the UN to come up with a solution. The solution was breaking Palestine up into Israel and Palestine. There has been on and off conflict between the two groups ever since with Israel being the most successful in the conflict. I would say it's recently been largely a cold conflict with a few little skirmishes between them. Conventions of War only apply if there someone willing to enforce them.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

This makes it sound like Britain is the good guy breaking up a fight. They literally planned for the whole thing, this is public information now. They intentionally massacred Palestinians and founded Israel as a genocidal state.

[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Too late Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal already sold the lie there was Iranian involvement. You would think people would learn after the Iraq War.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Ghazi Hamad, a Hamas spokesman, meanwhile told the BBC that the group had direct backing for the attack from Iran.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67044182

Lie or not, it's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Backing, material support and commited personell are quite different levels of involvement.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

They learned it was possible to lie and get away with it

[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There seems to be a theme here. Israel appears to have a plan, that will forever change the middle east. ( as Israeli officials described it ).

Describing the attacks by Hamas as the Israeli 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, is actually not far off, as both of those incidents has later appeared to be events that was known by intelligence agencies and authorities, but was allowed to happen to serve a purpose.

This could mean that Israel will make a final push to further force out Palestinians from Gaza and maybe even the West Bank, as well as attack Iran in one way or another.

[–] autotldr 3 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“Iran is a major player but we can’t yet say if it was involved in the planning or training,” said R Adm Daniel Hagari, a spokesperson for the Israel Defence Forces.

In a report published on 4 October, the Tasnim news agency said the representative spoke to participants about the need for “all Islamist parties to do everything in their power to liberate al-Quds [Jerusalem]”.

Hamas used Iranian technology and logistical support to produce arms locally, he said, but it is thought to be mainly reliant on smuggling weapons from its tunnels under its border with Egypt.

Some Hamas social media accounts claim the Iranian army is eager to send drones into action, but most observers think any escalation into a multipronged war is more likely to come from Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Across the Gulf, Arab leaders, united in seeking to de-escalate the violence ideally through a prisoner swap, were at odds over how to attribute responsibility for the attacks.

So far Saudi Arabia, the country on which the politics of the region will turn, has responded to the attacks by being strongly critical of Israel’s failure to negotiate a peace settlement with the Palestinians based on a two-state solution.


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[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still don't get how Mossad didnt know about this? Aren't they one of the best agencies around? I mean they invented Pegasus! How did they not know this attack was impending? Something had to have happened.

[–] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] demonquark@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keyword is yet. Given enough time, Israel will find “evidence” of their involvement.

[–] takeda@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, everyone else says that Iran was involved. Though politically this helps Russia and China the most and they are also friendly towards that group.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

WSJ says Iran is involved. I don't think anyone else is actually saying it unless they're just reporting what the WSJ said.

[–] takeda@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

That could be it.

[–] 5ublimation@hexbear.net -3 points 2 years ago
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

WSJ is a tabloid now I guess lol