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[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago

Man I hate VBA as much as the next guy, but when the IT department has your network so locked down you cant install anything. Having that hidden tab in Excel to write a script to automate some mundane task was really useful. I like python, but there's no fuckin way my ex employer would just allow me to run random python code like they did for VBA. It was a gov job btw.

[-] Willem@kutsuya.dev 50 points 1 year ago

Python is soon to be integrated into excel, I might not be a python fan but if it's gonna replace vba I'm all for it.

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 54 points 1 year ago

It'll only run on cloud. Their employer would probably block that too.

[-] __ghost__@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

Afaik the python is ran on Microsoft servers, so not exactly a perfect solution. I doubt it will run offline at all

[-] aev@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't it face the exact same security issues as VBA, with drive-by installs of obfuscated malware and executions of arbitrary code?

[-] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Can you not say that too loudly please

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You don't understand. "Security" is always the goto reason for either changing or leaving stuff as is, if companies don't want to state the real reason.

People are used to ccept "Security" as a reason for almost anything.

I remember once where a MS guy (someone higher up, don't remeber who, is many years ago...) was asked why the Windows filesystems are case-insensitive and stated the reason was security, so that one file cannot be named the same with just different upper/lowercasing letters. Classic deflection.

[-] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The article is not about VBA, it's about VBS. The languages are similar but not the same (why exactly MS did it this way I'll never know).

VBA is for embedded macros in MS Office documents.

VBS is a standalone language you write into .vbs files that get executed by wscript.exe. It's a default windows feature that has been around a long time (IIRC the ILOVEYOU worm used it).

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Not to mention Python’s in cloud

[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 99 points 1 year ago
[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is their own Adobe Flash and it’s good that it is faded out. Too obscure in modern times, too many security flaws. Only warm nostalgic memories will remain in 10 years.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 32 points 1 year ago

It is their own Adobe Flash

No, that was Silverlight. VBS is MS's JS.

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While true it was their actual flash, based on install basis and history, silverlight was a blimp on MS history. While flash died slowly off after 2008 as html5 gained ground and plugins fell out of favor (anyone remember java applets?), MS decided to launch their own Plugin into a world that already turned away from this technologies. Classic MS.

The comparison that VBS is like MS JS is a bit wonky, as JS is breathing and alive, while VBS is not. You also never encounter VBS on a website.

[-] SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

JavaScript from 1999 was Microsoft's JavaScript. You could also run that through WSH.

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That was JScript. Totally not JavaScript with a moustache.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago

They tried it twice?

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope they kill off VBA too. I still see some teams in banks implementing Monte Carlo simulators or PDE solvers in straight VBA 🤢

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 112 points 1 year ago

I have seen critical enterprise applications run in VBA in excel. Removing VBA would cause global economic ruin. I'm pretty sure that's the unspoken backstory for the Fallout series.

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

Can confirm. Worked at several billion dollar corps that would collapse without vba.

[-] dill@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago

Can confirm as well. It's wild

[-] Dee 11 points 1 year ago

Another Sys Admin confirming that yes, the finance department runs nearly entirely on VBA. They would be lost without it.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago

I want to see that happen.

[-] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another confirmation here. At my previous job, I was they guy who built Access databases and wrote VBA code. While not ideal, it was a very small business (less than 10 employees) and it was fit for purpose.

When I got a new job at a company with almost 3,000 employees, I was like, "Finally, I'll be working somewhere that has proper IT resources." Ha! I soon find out that my department runs critical business infrastructure with Excel macros. And we have a proper IT department.

As everyone has already said, if IT resources are in short supply (or the wait is too long, or building projects with IT support is a PITA), then people will build systems with the tools they have at hand. And that's often MS Office.

[-] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

IT isn't developers. What is really needed is a developer on your team, or somebody who at least knows how to lead the effort. I've been that guy.

[-] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

We do have developers on our team. They write Excel macros :). I work in data integration, so it isn't as simple as building a more robust tool. We still need infrastructure support or our tool doesn't do anything.

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[-] brsrklf@jlai.lu 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've worked for a major international company and I was for a while the only maintainer of a shitty request form in an excel file, sent worldwide to hundreds of people. As they wanted more and more specific functions the stuff grew to thousands of unholy VBA code lines and a huge hidden sheet of data.

That thing even had a fully custom language switch function for all dozens of field labels and their possible values.

I kinda hope they're still using it (that wouldn't surprise me) and that their whole workflow will crash and burn when Microsoft finally kills VBA.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

MS: You have until (now +2 years) to phase out VBA.

Enterprise: panic noises

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah. They'll just sit on their hands for two years and then panic.

[-] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

And then MS will issue a limited extension.

An business still won't be ready.

Modern auth on email is still causing problems for a lot of places.

[-] aev@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

Enterprise will cause a boom in hiring VBA devs to migrate legacy apps to other programming languages, then hear Microsoft will extend support for a few more years, then fire all those VBA devs again. If Microsoft had some wits, they'd create easy tools to migrate VBA to C#.

[-] eee@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Well it's gotta be done some time... otherwise we end up with another version of COBOL.

[-] Dee 6 points 1 year ago

otherwise we end up with another version of COBOL.

We're already there, I don't see VBA being phased out of accounting or finance for at least a decade and I'm not even sure then.

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[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 24 points 1 year ago

I'm migrating some VBAs to python/pandas and reducing some process times from half an hour to 3 minutes.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Yup that's normal because VBA is single-threaded, doesn't take advantage of vector instructions and even its interpreter is slow. So when someone writes numerical code in VBA working in single precision, and assuming they have an 8 core CPU with AVX2, they're using only 1/64-th of their CPU's processing power. On the other hand with Python, while it's still interpreted, the interpreter is much faster on its own, and you have modules like numpy that use precompiled routines that take advantage of vector instructions (and possibly multiple cores).

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

Btw, Libreoffice supports python scripts. Other offices too?

[-] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Excel will kinda support it soon, unfortunately it will only be available to run in the cloud and not locally.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 year ago

I work in corporate, so it's Microsoft all the way up.

[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The first hack I ever did was to remove the security add-on my middle school put on our macs so we couldn’t play games. The attack vector was the file APIs in VBScript executed via a word doc. Fun times!

[-] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

At least you got hardware that wasn't designed for schools.

[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t think there were any computers designed for K-12 schools at the time. They were PowerMacs, and later, iMacs. They weren’t even set up for multi-user; they were just unlocked all the time.

[-] cesium@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

Took them long enough.

[-] Raxiel@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

What if law enforcement need to make a gooey to trace a hacker?

[-] esc27@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Hopefully this means a modern replacement for slmgr.vbs

[-] soggyoreo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's okay, we will have python as a replacement.

[-] drdabbles@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Now would be a great time for everybody to dust off their VBScript skills and start offering contracting hours to the tens of thousands of companies that rely heavily on it for daily operations. Make yourself a mint porting scripts from 1996 into a modern language, or even PowerShell if you must.

[-] tinkeringidiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Poorly authenticated process injection will stay though? Ok. Good job guys.

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