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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 127 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Though there’s a carve-out for game consoles.

That carve out is so blatant, and so obvious, that I'm surprised that actually exists.

It really puts a negative light on the politicians who wrote the law for all of the voters to see.

I really hope there's some investigative reporting as to who wrote the law, and who wrote that clause, so we can identify them easier in the next election cycle.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 93 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Apple: our iPhone is now a game console which happens to be usable as phone

[–] chaosppe@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This may seem like a joke, but it won't be next dev conference 😂

[–] MrLuemasG@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They're already pushing for more and more current gen games to be released on the iPhone 15. It's pretty much there.

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[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

They literally announced console gaming with the iPhone 15 pro

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 110 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How long until the Louis Rossmann video that tells us it's all rubbish?

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 81 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

He has a video on when it passed in the assembly.

https://youtu.be/NfhFBSraDSM

The only thing he would likely have a problem with it is there is no provision allowing independent 3rd party repairers to use aftermarket parts. This is likely the reason why Apple supported the bill. Apple can continue to charge an arm and a leg for any parts and not supply parts to independent 3rd parties

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope not, since he worked really hard to get it passed.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apparently it's already pretty lacking in that it doesn't give provisions for 3rd party manufactured parts. However I'm not sure if he'll actually do a video for this one, he did one for New York (where he lives) and covered this point already.

[–] Apalacrypto@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He moved to Austin, TX a while ago. He’s no longer in New York.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Man NYC is like Argentina of America because how dare you become a citizen of somewhere else

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 88 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

“California is home to a number of device makers, most notably Apple, which came out in support of the bill after initially trying to stall it.”

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Aka they got whatever carve out they wanted and the bill doesn't cost them money.

[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It will cost them money, but I'd guess they did the math on whether it was worth it to stop fighting this one and potentially have a bill go through that cost them even more. There are also some things that seem to be carve outs that feel practically written by Apple's lawyers.

Anyway, I will defend Apple against some of the absolute dogshit takes people have about them here, but Apple's stance on repairability and right to repair is absolutely dumb. They spent a not inconsiderable amount of time on the action they're taking to fight climate change and getting the Apple Watch to carbon neutral in the last big keynote and I couldn't help thinking the entire time that if they just made it so that anyone with opposable thumbs could replace the back plate, screen, and battery in 20 minutes or less using tools you can find in any junk drawer, it would do far more than any recycling program or charging during off hours or whatever else.

Ditto for just basic support and software lockouts. Apple is generally pretty good keeping software support (5 years is entirely common) but the arbitrary cut offs are fucking dumb. I have an Apple Watch 3, and they cut software support for that last year which is fine. The form factor has aged out, it was bordering on under-powered a year or two after it launched, and it was time. But I also have a 2015 5k iMac that is just humming along running just fine and that a group of volunteers can get running the latest, no problem. I have no doubt that if that Apple Watch wasn't locked down to hell and back, someone would figure out how to get it running debian or something so it isn't just landfill fodder.

I'd really, really like to see legislation that addresses this. When I pay off a phone at a carrier, I can unlock it and take it where I want. When a manufacturer gives up on supporting that device, they should be required to at minimum unlock it, if not provide source for at least base level of user-space.

[–] micka190@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

There were talks about how Apple was pushing to get some weird wording in the bill a few weeks ago, and people pointed-out how you could probably twist those interpretations to apply to some Apple products.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 65 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Honestly just open up the laws around reverse engineering and prohibit software blocks that can't be removed for free.

That will cause actual competition in the repair market.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And enforce giving root access to device owners if no security updates are provided anymore (e.g. if a exploit is not fixed within x time after gaining knowledge of it)

[–] troydowling@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Root access should be available from the moment my purchase payment clears. I paid, it's my device.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. If you don't have root, you don't "own" the device. Apps, like bank apps, that refuse to run on devices with root access, (or custom OSs) should be illegal.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

My bank gave me a hardware 2FA keypad as a replacement thankfully...

Any services/apps that don't work on my rooted device as-is are out, only a few like Netflix are an exception due to others using it 🥲

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[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly I'd love to have more you ain't selling it laws but hey I'm just a dude who wants to play Majora's mask without having to wear my N64 into dust fr why are we treating retro games like they are currently being sold

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you own the physical game last I checked, you can legally play it on an emulator

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except for e.g. Japan, there, it is even illegal to modify your 3ds to download the lost 3ds ware that you bought but forgot to download prior the shutdown of the eShop on 3ds.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Each day we stray further from god

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I had a fantasy the other night about making it law that if a company stops selling a software product, "independent distributors" would be allowed to provide functional copies as a public service. The content owners would still own it, the "independent distributors" would not be allowed to profit directly from the items, and if the owner decides to start selling it again, it would need to be removed from the distribution repository so long as it is being sold for a reasonable price with reasonable availability.

Essentially, I want to make ROMs legal to distribute when gaming companies decide they don't want to sell it anymore. Why the fuck is 95% of the NES catalog illegal to obtain. And they can stuff their shit about "losing money" on it. They aren't selling it, they aren't making money.

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I have a good half dozen vendors that tell me the installer locking down the equipment is a feature, like it's lost on them you can keep customers around by not being a wanker

[–] watcher@nopeeking.link 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Afaik consoles are still exempt, so only a partial victory.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would bet this is a reason why Apple supported this bill. I bet the iPhone is now classified as a console.

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Finally, something that isn't vetoed

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

They need to ban manufacturers from making exclusive deals with their suppliers.

[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Up next, Apple deems all of it products one-time-use and completely abandons 1st party repair. They will then make all tools provided to 1st party repairers available to 3rd party repairers and be compliant with this new legislation. Zero tools is the answer unfortunately. More at 11.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Up next, Apple deems all of it products one-time-use and completely abandons 1st party repair.

I'm expecting the day they decide to pot everything in all of their devices in epoxy. Want to repair a MacBook? Tough shit, the whole thing is one solid mass of epoxy - time to buy a new one!

[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Hey that's not bad

[–] autotldr 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Because California is one of the world’s largest economies, this bill may make it easier for people all over the US to repair their devices.

The law, which joins similar efforts in New York, Colorado, and Minnesota, is tougher than some of its predecessors.

Manufacturers must make available appropriate tools, parts, software, and documentation for seven years after production for devices priced above $100.

California is home to a number of device makers, most notably Apple, which came out in support of the bill after initially trying to stall it.

For instance, Google, also headquartered in California, recently confirmed that the Pixel 8 series will get seven years of spare parts — the same number the California bill mandates.

Though the bill is fairly sweeping, there are carve-outs for game consoles and alarm systems.


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[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Because California is one of the world’s largest economies

Is that for real? I know it is the largest in the States, but in the world?

ETA:

California's GDP in 2022 was $3.6T, representing 14.3% of the total U.S. economy. If California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, and more productive than India and the United Kingdom.

Source

[–] King3d@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If California were a sovereign nation (2022), it would rank in terms of nominal GDP as the world's fifth largest economy, behind Germany and ahead of India.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah. California is a powerful state

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ETA:

Estimated Time of Arrival?

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but also Edited To Add.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

As it should be

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