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Context (for those who don't know): Israel and Palestine

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[–] erranto@lemmy.world 114 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.

It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Britain is laughably impotent today.

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[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it's probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't forget Belgium and the Dutch.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile, Portugal: "Hey, as long as you can barter, we're friends!"

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 79 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.

It's not like the Palestinians were the first there.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn't always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 71 points 2 years ago (20 children)

Someone's parents never taught them to share.

Obligatory fuck religion.

[–] BlazingFlames6073@lemdro.id 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, fuck religion

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[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also Britain: Oh good, the UN voted in favor of splitting up the land except the entire Arab League voting against the plan? Ok, sounds good, bye guys, have fun!

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[–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do hope the Israel and Palestine Wikipedia pages are doing ok.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago

Looks like there's a war

[–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

FINE YOU WEIRDO ZEALOTS:

I do hope the Palestine and Israel Wikipedia pages are doing ok.

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[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's working as intended, the whole Ottoman Empire was split to create manufactured internal conflict.

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[–] jarfil@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Alternate caption: "Zionists smuggling in settlers before the British mandate ended to have enough votes to create a State of Israel as a safe haven for Holocaust refugees, then getting populated mostly by Jews fleeing Arab countries out of fear of retaliation for having created the State of Israel a day early and having pushed most Palestinians out by force"

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You realize that most Israelis came from Europe after WW2?

or do you think Liebermann, Herzog, Weitzmann, Goldberg, Weinstein etc. are Arabic names?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis 33 % are ethnic Europeans as opposed to 12% from asia and 15% from Africa

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interesting info and I'm not arguing against your point, but that source doesn't address their point at all. The cited source covers recent demographics. The previous user is referring to events that occurred in 1947ish. The time periods are not close enough to be relevant to each other, especially considering the massive changes that occurred throughout that period in the area.

That's kind of like if someone said that the Caribbean was entirely populated by natives when the Europeans showed up in 1492, and someone responded with demographics from the 1570s after the Spanish had established settlements in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Trinidad, and conquered the Aztecs to dismiss the initial point. The demographics are going to be vastly different. It kind of sheds doubt onto your rebuttal since there seems to be a logical disconnect.

Does anyone have any sources on the demographics right before the British invited Jewish people to move to the Levant?

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[–] Hedup@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago (30 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

laughs in emu

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

~~Borders are~~ violence.

Religion is violence

[–] ssboomman@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

good argument. Agreed

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[–] ytg@feddit.ch 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This war really makes you hate Britain (and possibly France) for causing unrest in the first place

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah it was a land of peace with no unrest until the British came.

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[–] 15liam20@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Remember to save a little hate for the US

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[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Palestinians also contain Christians. Its just the modern term for gentiles in Israel now.

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It's not a religious conflict. It's an imperialistic conflict.

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