This is why I'm not having kids.
Same for me. That and being an irresponsible man-child who could probably never handle raising a child.
Yeah, I couldn't tolerate bringing a child into a dying planet. Seems cruel if your following these things.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
Is it bizarre it doesn't bother me that much about what happens to humanity at this point? Scientists have seen this happening decades ago and have implored companies and governments to make changes, only to land in deaf ears... so in a way, we saw this coming and didn't care. We kinda had it coming. What I really worry for are the innocent animals, fauna, and flora that will definitely be affected by this. It upsets me even just a change in temperature can mean life or death for some species. I just hope we can still slow this down enough for them to be able to adapt too 😥
I’m sorry you feel that way, but I get where you’re coming from.
Zoom out a little though and it’s consequences are war, famine, and desecration.
If not the human suffering, consider eons long chains of biology that’ll be wiped off the face of the earth as climates shift quicker than their ability to adapt
Ha. That will be wiped off? We are actively watching a mass extinction occur. It's not going to happen. It already is
I remember watching a clip from “The Network” where Jeff Daniel’s is interviewing an expert on climate change. It was when it was too late - and the expert lore or less said so.
It struck me as prescient - that despite all the warnings we’d be shocked when it came and it was irreversible.
Tbh it came sooner than I expected.
Oh, for sure. There will be battles for resources that would probably dwindle exponentially. There will be loads of suffering throughout. I've worried so much for years and have made my own contributions to reduce my carbon footprint - recycled and reused as much as I can, not buying a car, among others - and it's so exhausting to keep caring when the main perpetrators get to keep doing it abundantly relatively scot-free. At this point, it's just easier for my own mental health to choose my battles and to choose which one to worry more and hopefully help in that aspect. This is one of the main reasons I've decided to become childfree; it's just cruel to bring life to an uncertain world where the bad guys run rampant.
Choosing to have kids at this point is just choosing to live through Grave of the Fireflies. No thanks.
It'll be fine. It has all happened before. There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
All we need to do is kill off about 7 billion people and have the survivors move to the south pole atleast 300' above sea level.
Remember when Gary Johnson argued that climate change wasn't a big deal because the sun would become a red giant in a few billion years anyway?
You had me with the first half ngl
Not sure if this was sarcasm. On a serious note:
There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
Yes, but that is irrelevant. CO2 levels were never so high in the existence of humans. We know for a fact humans could survive without burning coal and oil. We do not know wether our existence is compatible with these unprecedented CO2 levels, but started the experiment nevertheless.
But hey the last article I read was a bunch of totally-relatable-super-wealthy-individuals who are just like me, asking why people aren't having kids! Are you telling me the world is actually a hellscape and I've been lied to?
it seems the interests of the fossil fuel industries are not aligned with the people.
Remember, elections have consequences. While, at least in the US, neither party is perfect, Republicans are actively engaged in climate denial.
Vote accordingly.
The world failed to take action against climate change, now they're going to be late to take action to the adaptation of civilization to a dangerous environment. Too late to stop climate change, it's time to think about adapting to a new environment.
Humanity can certainly adept to climate change, but these changes will also cause a lot of people to relocate. I’m not sure if society, in the current political climate, can adapt quick enough to be able to deal with the influx of possible climate refugees.
To be fair (and the article does sort of mention this) we are in an El Nino year, so of course things are heating up terrifying fast. Thing is, El Ninos are impacted by climate change, so... This isn't a cop-out, it's just this is kind of as bad as it can get (for now) which is reassuring (hopefully?)
I would disagree: Since we’re still in the early phase of a new (super? As is being discussed) El Niño — later this year and likely next 1-2 year/s will probably be worse.
It really depends on so many things. AR6 was a depressing read, but we do still have different pathways, people are responding to the crisis. I have the privilege of seeing first hand the commitments being made by some rather large emitters and the actions being undertaken to meet those commitments. I guess what I'm saying is, we can still hope. We shouldn't give-up and resign ourselves to this fate.
On the other hand we literally have a CEO of a gas and oil company chairing COP28 next year... So... Yeah...
We need a system to hold those in power responsible for their promises and inactions.
I don’t trust corporations, the only thing important for them is the balance sheet, they will always take the easy and cheap way. There should be a world wide tax on all companies which decreases with the companies sustainability. Hit corporations where it hurts them: money.
The system is violence. Threat of violence is the only thing that would ever keep in check politicians and big business. Voting declares the people's will, but it is only backed by the threat of violence. Otherwise the people may say their will but the elite will not care. Hopefully things will become desperate enough for the violence to occur before it's too late
While I understand where you're coming from, do keep in mind that the same people that can afford to keep chugging along on the same path with only the bottom line in their crosshairs also have enough influence to make sure that once violence starts it gets promptly redirected. And masses of upset people aren't really coherent enough to keep a single goal in mind.
Hell, if you've ever tried to get 12 hungry people to eat lunch at the same time and decide on a place to get it from, you'll shortly understand what the phrase 'herding cats' means. Add to that a random 13th person that just pops up, whose neighbour owns the new lunch place on the corner and just 'offers other options' and you can quickly see how getting lunch becomes an exercise in futility.
And if smoke, mirrors and redirection don't work, civil violence is used as a pretext to intervene with force against protestors.
I honestly don't believe another French revolution is capable of happening again, ever.
The answer could be voting with your wallet, but remember the 'no preorders' crowds? See my point about herding cats.
This is exactly why my partner and I are not having children.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
Florida has been saying this for decades. Some of the nation and world's best climate research facilities are in the state. Think NASA, National oceanic and atmospheric administration NOAA, University of Miami's ocean and climate research is world class etc. The state is almost all at sea level with 800 miles of coastline and an economy that depends on beach tourism so they have a huge incentive to mitigate climate change. "Smart Money" is pulling out of the state already, with major insurance being firms priced out of the market.
You need to remember Florida is a deeply divided state, something like 51/49 crazy/sane ratio, with the loonies narrowly holding the sane people hostage by a handful of votes. There's 22 million people in the state and most of the ones in civilized areas are indeed sane. It's the hillbilies out in the sticks that deny climate change. In 2018 for example they voted OUT Bill Nelson, a democratic senator with a history of supporting climate and science, and voted IN Rick Scott, the former FL governor who refused to allow his administration to even use the term "Climate Change." (Bill Nelson later went on to be the head of NASA which is good but shows you the type of person he is, who FL voted out.)
This all goes to show why you need to listen to this FL meteorologist extra careful, because Florida believe it or not has some extremely bright educated resourceful people that are extremely motivated to fight climate change...but are unfortunately held hostage and muted by the lunatics.
Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what's happening is just the heat trying to normalize. We're not going to end up with 70c at the equator and -30c at the poles. Look at the cretaceous temp, CO2, and fossil records and you'll see that the temp evens out even with CO2 massively higher then today, and you end up with things like temperate rainforest at the south pole. Our real issue and the one we should be actively fighting against (as in actual in-the-street rebellion) is the absolute destruction of the environment. Chemical dumping, strip mining, industrial fishing, industrial agriculture, forever chemicals, microplastics, desertification and deforestation. These things are going to cause ecological collapse and kill almost everyone in the next generation or two, no question about it. We don't have to worry about the heat getting us
You are right, all these other problems are also really bad. A lot of stuff is happening at the same time. It's hard for me to read about all the shit that is going down and not be able to do anything impactful against these things.
Yeah its really tough and I try to limit my doomscrolling to the amount needed to stay informed. One huge problem with all this is that it effects the most privileged the least, and even the day to day things we can do to feel like we're helping are only really available to those of us with that privilege. Like, I could say "start a vege garden, buy hemp and wool clothes, fix things in your workshop instead of buying new" but yeah, those aren't really options most people can take unless we change the underlying structure of our society first. But then, why don't we try changing society so we can then fix these issues? In the end, it's all part of the class war, and we're losing badly.
Rabbits
I'm living in a flat, this limits what I can do on my own. But I'm looking into getting some solar panels to put up on the balcony, coupled with a storage battery this should bring down the kW/h I need from an external provider.
In the far future I would like to move out of the city and start producing more of my own food, but prices are just to high right now.
Don't be convinced that by lowering your impact you can make any change. Corporations want you to think that because if the masses think that they are the issue then they can continue what they are doing. The only way we can contribute is if we all get on the streets and protest. If millions of people get out on the streets for an indefinite amount of time, stop working, stop buying things, and demand change then we will get change.
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