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submitted 11 months ago by original_reader@lemm.ee to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Do you agree? If not, what's your counter arguments?

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[-] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 78 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why don't you type the things instead of making us watch a click-bait video?

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[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

0:36 Gaming.
4:38 Microsoft Office.
5:31 Photoshop.
7:15 Ecosystem of Linux.
9:39 Hardware compatibility.

[-] H2207@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago
  • Proton & Lutris
  • Libreoffice & Nextcloud
  • G.I.M.P, Inkscape, Krita
  • It's cooler, more secure, more private, more trusting etc.
  • More compatible than Windows 11 that's for sure
[-] atomkarinca@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago
  • this is 100% valid. even on wayland it's working great.
  • it took like 3 days to migrate my whole workflow to libreoffice. it's definitely doable for 95% of ms office users but when you're in a big company it gets tricky. formulas work a little bit different so you have to consider that. libreoffice is case sensitive, ms office is not.
  • this is again mostly a compatibility with other parties issue. and from what i understand photoshop has a lot of third party addons that would definitely be cumbursome to migrate.
  • i have to use windows at work and it drives me crazy. constant notifications for mundane stuff, no package manager, no sane way to keep apps up-to-date, commandline is shit.
  • even freebsd was better at handling my thinkpad. i have a wifi dongle, on linux it just works, on windows i have to install an xp app to be able to use that.
[-] kevin@mander.xyz 0 points 11 months ago

Really the only thing that I miss on Linux is creative cloud stuff. Yeah, gimp and inkscape cover 80% of the functionality of PS and Illustrator right out of the gate, and I bet I could get to 90% if I sank a bunch of hours into learning the differences. Which is amazing for open source software.

But there's a gap when you have a team of dedicated and highly paid developers and hordes of creatives testing everything out and demanding progress that's going to be hard to overcome.

[-] atomkarinca@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

sometimes that's right, but other times it fires back. like in autodesk software, it turns into a money making machine. because they're the industry standard for more than a decade now, they just pump out new version every year with barely any changes and deliberately not forward compatible. so you just pay more every month, because everything is subscription based now.

[-] kevin@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

That's fair. Another example of what you describe that I'm more familiar with is Epic (medical records software). My hypothesis is that the differences that matter are:

  1. Cost of switching is higher and/or
  2. The people making the decision (business manager, hospital admin) are farther from the actual users of the software.

Could be lots of other reasons too, but these are the ones that jump out at me.

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[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The first three boil down to, “If software that you need/want only develops for a specific OS, use that OS.”

It’s time we stop blaming linux for vendor choices.

[-] Grangle1@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Gaming: Only if you're playing one of the VERY few games that doesn't run in Linux yet, and that number continues to drop rapidly. There's plenty of tools out there to make games work well in Linux.

Office: For basic things, there's a million and one office suites that work in Linux and you can even use Office 365 Online if you really need that Microsoft Office experience/compatibility. This is only valid if you or your company need specific add-ons that don't have any equivalent in other office suites. My own employer uses these, so in that instance, yes, I do need MS Office for those. But from what I know, still not an entirely common thing, and you can still get by with Linux compatible office suites for most things.

Photoshop: I don't work with images, but from what I understand this one has some validity, comparing the tools available in Photoshop vs the GIMP or other drawing tools. But that's just if you're doing some really advanced image editing.

Ecosystem: if this is just referring to the fact that most people don't use Linux, there are plenty of FOSS programs that work in both Windows and Linux and very few common file types that aren't mutually compatible.

Hardware: another instance that has greatly improved over time, and there hasn't been anything in years that I haven't had "just work" by plugging it in. If the proprietary drivers don't install, there's probably an open source driver out there to get your hardware running. Will admit that in some instances features may be more limited, depending on what the drivers will be able to do, but as I mentioned that's really getting better almost daily.

[-] hiddengoat@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

You don't have to be doing advanced work to notice the difference between GIMP and Photoshop. Working in GIMP is painful. Working in Photoshop is also painful, but at least you know your files will work with everyone else.

Try some audio hardware. Linux is still a fucking wasteland when it comes to that.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

A fraction of 1% of Windows users use Photoshop. 99.9% of users just crop and resize

[-] hiddengoat@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago

Which is utterly fucking irrelevant to the conversation.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

Gaming... yeah it's not like there's a dedicated portable hardware device for gaming that runs on Linux by default.

MS Office, well it's literally a Microsoft product so yeah, though O365 does work.

Photoshop I haven't tried in years to run on Linux but I wish haven't bothered with Photoshop in years period so...

[-] Elkenders@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

He does counter with Gimp tbf.

[-] H2207@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Everyone should use Linux, it's just whether or not they can use Linux.

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[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

tl;dw: "If it does not deliver the exact same experience as Windows = don't bother."

Yeah....no.

t. Have 0 issues with the mentioned "issues" in the video. I use arch btw. :^)

[-] SloganLessons@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

YMMV

If you have an old nvidia card, you're going to have issues with some games. BF4 for example, no matter what you do you will have lag and stutter

There's wayland and lack of support for nvidia cards, and major distros and GUI's dropping x11 in favour of wayland (regardless of whose fault it is or if it's good or bad in grand scheme of things, whoever has an nvidia GPU is going to be forced to use other distros or windows)

And then the whole proton and wine stuff... I just installed CoD 2 and had to fetch some commands in order for it to run, else it crashed after playing the first cut scene. And then there are other games, like Divinity dragon commander, that I couldn't figure how to get it to run. Tried several proton versions, none of them launched the game. My fault or ignorance? Perhaps, but on windows it would run first try.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Gnome and Fedora the literal worst desktop and a perpetually broken distro that is a minority of a minority are even talking about actually dropping support for X11. As much as they might hate it X11 will be an option for the next decade

[-] jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago
  1. I ran a GTX 550ti and everything ran very well for the most part (card was pretty old so prefomance on new games was bad)
  2. gnome is the only one fully dropping x11 as far as I know
  3. Nvidia cards do work on linux, sure they may be a bit more configuring to do compared to a AMD card if it is new, bit it still works.
  4. Lutris? GOG? Steam? Is using the command line really a nuisance for you?
  5. The fact that you did not figure out how to run something, does not mean that it does not run on Linux
  6. Ofc Windows would run it first try, the game is made for it, not like Limix which needs to use Wine and gain more performance in some games even tho its not running on its native platform (Windows).
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[-] Sterben@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

I started my gaming experience (PC) with Linux. So I disagree.

[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Without knowing what you play, how many games would you say are as easy to install as under Windows and how many needed some additional encouragement?

[-] Sterben@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Thanks for asking.

I am a very casual gamer, and at the beginning I might have struggled a bit with all the mechanics of Proton, Lutris etc etc.

When I look for games I usually double check on ProtonDB, if there is any fix to be applied. For this reason, I can say 95% of MY games are just install and play.

The only game I had a problem with was Skyrim, which needed a FPS limiter to avoid glitching at the beginning.

[-] Malgas@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Skyrim, which needed a FPS limiter to avoid glitching at the beginning.

And the opening of Skyrim has been known to glitch out on Windows, too.

[-] moody 4 points 11 months ago

Nowadays, with Steam, most games are just install-and-play. For non-Steam games, Lutris does a good job of handling the tedium, though it is an extra step vs installing on Windows. Other marketplaces/launchers are generally covered by some third-party alternative that has most of the relevant functionality.

So far, I haven't had any issues with any purchased games under Linux. If it doesn't run as-is after installing, it's just been a question of choosing Proton in a drop-down menu. I've been Linux-only for about two years now, and gaming used to be the only thing that kept me locked into Windows. That said, there are games that won't run at all under Linux, often due to anti-cheat software.

[-] TrojanHam@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

These videos exist for monetization purposes.

Does anyone know if one where to view videos through Piped, NewPipe, FreeTube, etc the view would count towards engagement?

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Right tool for the job. I was once a a nix fanboy in the beginning. Now, I don't really care. If I legitimately think it suits a particular issue or use-case I'll suggest it. But I also work for an MSP that, well, focuses on a lot of Microsoft services.

There are just things each environment has pros and cons for.

[-] Solumbran@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

The con of one of then being "is a rootkit"

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