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PRO-PALESTINE NYU LAW STUDENT SPEAKS OUT AFTER JOB OFFER WAS RESCINDED (theintercept.com)

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[-] Hyzerflip@lemmy.world 90 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well no shit. This person used their position in academia to spam out a newsletter of their political affiliation to the student body. The offer was rescinded because the law firm saw that they don’t know or follow proper etiquette in positions of supposedly unbiased positions. This person will likely not be proper legal counsel to individuals or companies they might not personally see eye to eye.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I had to deal with this during the pandemic. As the team lead, my ex-worker, exhausted and furious at the political climate, fired off a email to our client base. It doesn't matter if we agreed with the statement or not. But like, bro... we provide technical services.

I tried my best to step in front of the fire, brush it as a misstep and give them mental health days. But they went radioactive on the CEO and my boss and I had to let them go.

It's like that Dave Chappelle skit "when keeping it real goes wrong"

[-] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences, which this person is now recognizing

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Can we not agree that both groups have done some super shitty things? Why take sides at all.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both sides have done some super shitty things, but if you want to be objective about it, they're not balanced at all.

Still seems like a crazy own goal to issue a statement that doesn't condemn attacks on civilians, but I can understand why people feel driven to take a side. Especially when virtually all the bars on the top part of that graph got effectively zero news coverage.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's in our nature to take sides, and it's unfortunate because this is a really complicated issue. You can trace this back centuries to try and understand why everything has happened, and you'll find devils and angels in every group involved.

After Russian pogroms of Jews around the Russian Revolution time period, a prominent European Jewish thinker concluded that they would never have safety or respect unless they had their own nation. Being scapegoated and killed in Russia was just one of many instances where they were persecuted. Flash forward to the early 1900s, and you have Zionist insurgents in Mandated Palestine who want their own Jewish state, and are carrying out terrorist attacks against the British colonial authority.

We're both well aware of what Palestinians are suffering right now. I believe I just read that an Israeli airstrike killed 600 in a hospital. A few weeks ago, extremists associated with Palestine killed and kidnapped a lot of people at a concert.

Civilians just want to live in peace and freedom. They're surrounded by violence they don't remotely deserve, and that just keeps getting perpetuated. Each side kills innocent people that the other side takes as justification to kill other innocent people, and so forth.

By the numbers, Israel is worse because they've caused more casualties, I agree. But I really don't think that's important here. Significant numbers of innocent people are being killed by Hamas and also by Israel's government. Identifying both as major problems and the "bad guys", while viewing the civilians as the "good guys", is what's important I think.

Edit: Forgot to say, the problem wasn't that this guy supported Palestinians, but that they pointedly refused to condemn killing and kidnapping innocent people.

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Being “pro Israel” or “pro Palestine” are problematic positions. You don’t have to pick which of the bad guys you like more. There is no rule that says you have to have a side

I have long standing sympathies for the people of Palestine. But, they choose monsters to represent them who have never been good faith negotiators for a peaceful solution that doesn’t require genicide.

The Israelis also choose monsters to represent them. Among the other colonialist behaviors, they pursue a settlement strategy that is specifically designed to make a 2 state peace impossible.

No good guys. Stop telling everyone which side you’re on! You just telling me which color terrorist you prefer.

[-] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But, they choose monsters to represent them

Afaik, like over half the population of Palestine wasn't even alive or were children when that decision was made and nobody has been given a decision since, at least not the kind of decision that doesn't involve becoming a martyr and deading yourself in exchange for deading another person.

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I suppose I have no data points to tell me what is in the hearts of the majority of gaza civilians. I could I suppose, fill it in with good will and brotherhood toward man. I could fill it in with genocidal intent.

Either way, it is my choice since I can’t really know. I am not so desperate to find a good guy, that I will lie to myself and pretend I know a truth. My hunch is that the truth would be upsetting for the folks desperate to find the good guys. What about that environment would produce a culture of peace and good will?

[-] yiliu@informis.land 0 points 11 months ago

Sounds like it's high time for a change in leadership!

...and nobody has been given a decision...

Wikipedia would call those 'weasel words', passive voice. Been given? Who's going to give it to them? They're independent and self-governing. If they don't agree with the actions of their leaders, they need to change leaders; neither Israel nor anybody else can do that for them.

If Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians, and refuses to step aside, that makes them bad guys twice over: terrorists to Israel and tyrants to the Palestinians. My understanding is that they're pretty popular, though.

[-] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I worded things exactly as I meant them. They haven't been given a decision that doesn't involve a probably violent uprising, so they would have to make their own opportunity but authoritarians tend not to like that thus the deading oneself part of my comment. I think we agree ultimately.

As far as Palestinian's support for Hamas goes, I find that the whole story is honestly kind of nuanced the more I read. https://theconversation.com/hamas-was-unpopular-in-gaza-before-it-attacked-israel-surveys-showed-gazans-cared-more-about-fighting-poverty-than-armed-resistance-215640

[-] yiliu@informis.land 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I read a breakdown of governance is Gaza, and it was honestly bewildering: Hamas has a few different wings for civilian and military governance, and then there's the Palestinian Authority which plays some kind of role, and a Hezbollah influence... It's a fucking mess, and it's a shame. But honestly: there's nobody in a position to help the Palestinians to pick more reasonable leaders, except possibly Iran or the Saudis exerting influence, which they're not inclined to do, because to them the Palestinians are just a piece on a chessboard.

Honestly it might help the Palestinians (though not Hamas) if Israel and Saudi Arabia normalized relationships, if only because they'd be a less useful chess piece.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Go Mongooses! 🚩

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Apparently not, and I don't understand why.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago

Americas greatest export is hating marginalized people so white countries and invade and colonize

it's no different from 20 years ago only now Republicans are openly fascist too

[-] xdr@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago

Cool .freedom and democracy. As long as you don't oppose Israel. Then its all hands on deck to fuck you up and still you are treated as a criminal but hey, it's a free world unlike some countries who discriminate against women and lgbtq

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, countries like Palestine in which women are second class and lgbt people are treated with violence

[-] xdr@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 11 months ago

Cool. So how is this any different? What moral supremacy does supporting this hounding someone for something they wrote or supports any different from Palestine as you say which discriminates against women?

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