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Israel bombs Greek Orthodox Gaza church sheltering displaced people (www.aljazeera.com)

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[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

The Order of St. George, an associated order of the church, issued a statement confirming the strike. “Archbishop Alexios appears to have been located and is alive, but we don’t know if he is injured,” the Order of St. George stated. The blast hit “two church halls where the refugees, including children and babies, were sleeping.”

[-] NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

the church was 1600 years old too

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Just a quick note, we're seeing reports on this post complaining that it's coming from Al Jazeera.

AJ is a left of center source and does tend to lean on loaded words, but they are not considered to be factually dishonest. Well, as long as it's not about Qatar. They do have an obvious blind spot there.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

"These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Overall, we rate Al Jazeera Left-Center biased, based on story selection that slightly favors the left, and Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks that were not corrected and misleading extreme editorial bias that favors Qatar."

[-] generalpotato@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Also why Israel is after actively banning Al Jazeera. They are trying (desperately) to hide their war crimes and the genocide.

https://lemmy.ml/post/6760749

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It's not pro Israel so it's clearly biased and anti semitic. Delete it now.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

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[-] Dienervent@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Isn't the Gaza hospital at the very least confirmed to have been a relatively minor explosion in the parking lot?

[-] simulacra_simulacrum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That was the latest that I saw. Not to excuse the rest of Israel’s actions. Really hard to discern the fake news and propaganda from reality on that one though. And it’s a moot point anyway. It’s blamed on Israel now, because that’s the story that is sticking.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but there was a bunch of people who were gathered there because their homes had already been bombed...

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Already bombed a UNRWA school

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Double Speak - (satire) The church was bombed to punish Hamas for bombing the hospital... (/satire)

Though to put on a serious hat for a second, forcing half the population to move, so you double the number of people in the south of gaza, just means there will be more civilians everywhere including "legitimate" military targets.

What happened to the whole roof knocking warning system?

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

For the Hospital bombing...

This lines it all out.

The TLDR is that it's not enough visible damage to have been an Israeli bomb. The entire article is worth a read, Bellingcat actually does video and image analysis to figure out what likely happened.

As for the church bombing, Israel has taken responsibility for it, but are quibbling on the damage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/20/gaza-church-strike-saint-porphyrius/

The Israel Defense Forces said in an emailed statement that a strike targeting a Hamas control center “damaged the wall of a church in the area” and that it is “aware of reports on casualties” and is reviewing the incident.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

So Israel got away with bombing a hospital

If you're going to just lead with things that are, at the very least, not at all clear facts, I'm going to have a hard time taking anything else very seriously.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

So Israel got away with bombing a hospital

Your evidence?

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

For anyone else who doesn't like Al Jazeera, here is an article they wrote 4 days ago about this very church being the last refuge for hundreds of displaced civilians who had nowhere left to turn. Thankfully it's hosted on MSN, so it's not fully taboo to read about the horrified people who were at their wits end trying to escape death and largely accepting the futility of the effort.

Any strike on the church “would not only be an attack on religion, which is a vile deed, but also an attack on humanity”, Father Elias said. “Our humanity calls us to offer peace and warmth to everyone in need.”

George Shabeen, a Palestinian Christian and a father of four sheltering in the church with his family, said they had nowhere else to go; their streets had been targeted by three Israeli air raids.
“Coming here saved our lives,” he told Al Jazeera. “During the night, we huddle together, Muslims and Christians, old and young, and pray for safety and peace.”

If someone at the IDF read through some of this propaganda then maybe they wouldn't have put a bomb right next to the church.

Oh well, everyone makes mistakes.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I personally would trust Al Jazeera (The international English speaking one) more than MSN.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 1 year ago

Al Jazeera has biases, like every media organization, like Reuters, like the BBC, like the guardian. They're supposed to be one voice in a choir of voices. The reporting is excellent. While they demonstrate their biases by what they cover, I've always found the reporting to be professional and excellent.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The first report is always wrong.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Reuters article.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Unverified video after the bombing: https://streamable.com/rzajna

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Washington post confirms video with Geo-location

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[-] saze@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Bet they have proof Hamas did it.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

More "totally legit audios" in Arabic spoken with Hebrew accents.

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