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Trump administration labels 8 Latin American cartels as 'foreign terrorist organizations' - ABC News (abcnews.go.com)

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Buy an avocado, go to jail. Kroger is now supporting terrorism.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee -3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That's not how that works. Kroger is reasonably responsible now for ensuring that their suppliers aren't run by cartels. If they don't do due diligence, they can get into legal trouble now.

Quite literally the only thing Trump has ever done that I'm okay with.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They aren't terrorists though. They are gangsters. Couldn't care less about our political system, just want to make money.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

I agree, it's monetary not political. Otherwise we'd have to label chiquita as a terrorist organization as well right?

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee -5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They're terrorists...

They murder, cheat, steal, traffick, kidnap, extort, and do whatever else they have to do to "just make money."

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is not the goal of terrorists. Terrorists are attempting to cause political change through their actions.

Or do you think that anything that involves murder, cheating, stealing, trafficking, kidnapping, and extortion is terrorism?

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee -1 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The FBI defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force and violence against people or property to intimidate or coerce a government or civilian population.

Simply using force and violence against people to intimidate with no other purpose or objective is the legal definition of terrorism...

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

<.< What are the cartels trying to intimidate you for?

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 4 weeks ago

Which, again, is not what you said they were doing this for.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

Nah, words still have accepted definitions. We're not that far into the post-truth world yet.

[+] lil0ps -23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s great! Kroger does exploit the benefits of the cartel. Reminds me of the ‘gulf of America.’ No, it’s not an egomaniac move. Changing the water nationality changes the tax rate on oil aka gas prices. Trump has historically maintained favor with gas prices.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Reminds me of the ‘gulf of America.’ No, it’s not an egomaniac move. Changing the water nationality changes the tax rate on oil aka gas prices. Trump has historically maintained favor with gas prices.

You completely lost me.

Trump cannot rename the Gulf of Mexico. It's not land that the US owns. It's international waters.
The "nationality" didn't change. So your little tirade about taxes is not only supreme bullshit, but it's not even in the same universe as correct.
Trump has historically had higher gas prices than almost any other President.

The proof is in the pudding;

President	Years in Office	Avg. Gasoline Price (USD/gallon)	Median Household Income (Approx.)	Ratio (Income/Gas Price)
Joe Biden	2021–Present	~$3.50–$5.00	~$70,000	~14,000–20,000
Donald Trump	2017–2021	~$2.30–$2.90	~$65,000	~22,400–28,300
Barack Obama	2009–2017	~$2.00–$3.80	~$55,000	~14,500–27,500
George W. Bush	2001–2009	~$1.50–$4.00	~$50,000	~12,500–33,300
Bill Clinton	1993–2001	~$1.00–$1.50	~$40,000	~26,700–40,000
George H. W. Bush	1989–1993	~$1.00–$1.20	~$35,000	~29,200–35,000
Ronald Reagan	1981–1989	~$1.20–$1.40	~$25,000	~17,900–20,800
Jimmy Carter	1977–1981	~$0.65–$1.25	~$20,000	~16,000–30,800
Gerald Ford	1974–1977	~$0.55–$0.60	~$15,000	~25,000–27,300
Richard Nixon	1969–1974	~$0.35–$0.55	~$10,000	~18,200–28,600

The price of gasoline means absolute dick at the end of the day. The ratio of median household income to the price of gasoline is what's important. The closer to 0 = more expensive. These numbers are skewed by 1 year and stop in 2024, unfortunately. So that means that COVID is showing during 2021 of Biden's Presidency. But if you take Biden out to account for COVID you'll see that the only other President, during which the price of fuel was extremely expensive, was Bush 2 and that's because we went to War in Iraq which is reflected in Obama's term....

There's absolutely zero validity to your statement whatsoever.

[–] tal@lemmy.today -4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Trump cannot rename the Gulf of Mexico. It’s not land that the US owns. It’s international waters.

A country can specify use of an official name internally. They cannot compel outside countries to use it. But a leader could tell the government that he runs to use it. If it has laws -- which the US does not -- which can compel people internally to use that, a country could do that. Even in the US, private organizations are not legally-required to call it "Gulf of America".

It's also not all that unusual for names to differ across countries.

We call Germany "Germany" in the US, rather than "Deutschland", even though Germany isn't within US borders.

It's unusual for leadership to require their government to do so, though I'm sure that there are prior examples, probably over territorial disputes. In this case, it's pretty lame -- I mean, this isn't even popular with the American public as a whole, just part of the political theater stuff. It's probably kind of antagonizing to Mexico. But Mexico doesn't have the ability to specify what the US government calls it -- Trump does.

Am I going to use "Gulf of America"? No. I'm going to keep using "Gulf of Mexico", and I expect that it'll be changed back once Trump is out of office (though the whole Denali/Mount McKinley thing might stick).

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

A country can specify use of an official name internally.

Which is not renaming. That's not what that word means.

But a leader could tell the government that he runs to use it.

Yes, this is exactly what I've said. Trump spent tens of millions telling his own Government to change the designation of a location that we don't own, and people suck his dick like he did something amazing. He quite literally wasted everyone's time and money for nothing.

Even in the US, private organizations are not legally-required to call it “Gulf of America”.

This is incorrect. Google, a private organization is legally required to call it the Gulf of America because they're a defense contractor.

It’s not that unusual for names to differ across countries.

This isn't a difference in language. It's been called the Gulf of Mexico globally since 1550. So for 475 years every single country in the world has called it by its proper name, and now, for no reason whatsoever, we call it something different. The sheer ignorance and stupidity of it is positively baffling--most of all because people pretend like it's not a big deal.

[–] tal@lemmy.today -2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Which is not renaming. That’s not what that word means.

Sure it is. It's altering the name that the federal government uses -- that's a rename. It's not renaming it from Mexico's standpoint. There is absolutely nothing about "rename" that requires it specify what some other entity uses. Trump can rename the thing from the US government's standpoint, and the Mexican government can rename it from their standpoint.

Google, a private organization is legally required to call it the Gulf of America because they’re a defense contractor.

Ah, fair enough, that might be true...though I suspect that that's not true of what it does outside of government contracting. Not generally true of private stuff, though.

EDIT: No, I'm pretty sure that you're incorrect. I can't find reference to any ties to their contracting status, and Google's saying that it's their choice here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2025/01/28/google-maps-will-show-gulf-of-america-and-mt-mckinley-to-us-users/

The company said it has a “longstanding practice” of applying name changes when they have been “updated in official government sources” and for the U.S. that would be the names displayed by the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS).

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I quite literally don't have the mental fortitude to fight with your incompetence. It absolutely amazes me that we live in a day and a time when people like you don't understand what renaming something is. It makes me want to fucking cry--how we could have fallen so far as a civilization...

See my analogy about the school principal. I pray you're smart enough to connect the dots, but I'm not holding out hope.

I can’t find reference to this, and Google’s saying that it’s their choice here:

Of course it's their choice. In the same way that it's your choice whether or not to pay taxes. That doesn't mean there's no consequences if you don't.

[+] lil0ps -17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump named it the golf of America. You can not like it but you can’t deny history.
That’s not even a statement I can respond to but an egotistical blab blab from a place of self ordained authority.
You just showed proof that Trump provided lower gas prices than other presidents.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is why I hate you people. Like truly hate you. Because you're so incredibly fucking stupid. Trump didn't even rename the damn thing. Not only does he not have that power, but it's not an asset owned by the US. But even if we did own it, he still couldn't do it. What he did was change US official policy to reflect that the Gulf of Mexico should now federally be referred to as the Gulf of America.

You don't even understand what it is that he did. It's tantamount to getting a phone call by your kids Principal saying "hey, I renamed your kid to Samantha" and you being like "well, that's not legal... why are you so goddamn stupid?" and people being like "LOL THE PRINCIPAL ALREADY RENAMED HER, YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH REALITY! TEEE HEE!" when in "reality" the only thing the Principal did was update your kids name in the schools computer software because it's not possible for someone to rename shit that they don't own...

That’s not even a statement I can respond to

Yeah. I figured you couldn't.

You just showed proof that Trump provided lower gas prices than other presidents.

I even specifically took the time to tell you how to read the chart, and it's blatantly obvious that you not only didn't read me telling you that higher numbers are better for the ratios, but you don't understand it, either.

Intelligence is trying to catch you, but you're just too damn fast, aren't you?

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

You're arguing with someone who almost certainly upholds the "Fractions Imperial length measuring system is far superior to stupid metric! It doesn't even make sense! Fractions are way more simple!" And wouldn't ever have bought the ⅓lbs burger because obviously the ¼lbs burger is bigger because number bigger durrhurrrrrrrrr

[+] lil0ps -12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If you hate a random username online, you are experiencing mental health symptoms and may have a warped sense of reality. I don’t think people who refuse to manage their mental health deserve my attention to read their response. You can do better and learn how to communicate better if you want.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world -3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Do the gene pool and the rest of the world a favor and fucking die.

[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

While your frustration is shared, and understandable, let’s not start throwing death around like it’s some little thing

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not. I meant it and there’s no use pretending.

I’ve lived through enough racist bullshit and had some close encounters with neonazis going further back than the first trump presidency. He certainly emboldened them and both the frequency and severity of bullshit increased during his first term. Most of my life has been marked with more privileged people asking me to pipe down because they simply couldn’t connect with, fathom, or were unwilling to consider how much worse the experience in pockets of this country can be for some of us. There are always many different reasons to defend the status quo, including the fear of breaking an illusion of a much more civilized America. Those at the bottom always take the brunt of the consequences of maintaining this illusion.

Seems that people are barely recognizing the patterns that have been established for many, many years, only because they are now undeniable. Because they have come to a head.

I don’t care about being held to some higher standard in order to appease overly idealistic sensibilities, when the overton window has pushed us back this far to the brink of civil war through double standards. Neonazis are making demonstrations in minority communities, and we have a set of politicians using nazi playbooks to turn this country fascist in record time, following steps openly outlined by them years prior.

Sorry, but the intolerance paradox is real. And I won’t live my life a useless saint. Fuck these morons.

[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Oh wow, thank you for the elaboration! Now that you spelled it out like that, I have to admit I have very similar thoughts, albeit in different circumstances, so I can’t really say I don’t see where you are coming from.

In fact, you’ve broadened my horizons, even if just a bit, and I thank you for the perspective.

I can’t say I totally understand the circumstances you live under, but I think I understand enough to know some of how that feels. And I’ve expressed the very same thoughts multiple times, even here on lemmy, so that was a little bit hypocritical of me. Sorry

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And there's the pretext to invade Mexico, or maybe just nuke it.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

With what people? He fired the workers that oversee our nuclear arms and realized he goofed. Now they can't find all the employees to bring them back.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Well don't get me wrong, I'm not hoping for that outcome. But I did predict it months ago - nuke Mexico to stop the cartels and migrants and then invade Canada. All built around bullshit, lies, and demonizing truly desperate people.

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

He fired people taking care of the nukes, not the people who would detonate them, which could be any idiot with a willingness to pull the trigger on command. Not that he'd use nukes on Mexico, a good ol' freedom campaign with a couple thousand troops and drones should do the trick for everything south of the border. We're cheerfully awaiting our invasion and demise! Greetings from Honduras, malditos gringos hijos de puta!

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago

It’s the Gaza strategy.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

USA gonna invade the banks laundering their money? Gonna bomb the weapons manufacturers arming them? yeah right...

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

Okay, so Mexico should brace for an invasion soon, gottit

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hopefully the cartels use their usual methods of retaliation.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Kidnapping innocent people and holding towns hostage?

They are true scum of the earth for sure, they need to be dealt with. But we all know that this is a pretext for something more nefarious Trump wants to do...

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I was meaning I would love to see a good necklacing of that orange piece of shit. 🛞⛽️🔥 I guess I should have been more clear.

[–] wiLD0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Does this make coke heads terrorist financiers?

[–] arafatknee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

That would make sense.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Do they have a roster of their international members? How could you prove that they're a gang member?

It's just racial profiling.