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submitted 1 year ago by WQMan@lemm.ee to c/protonprivacy@lemmy.world

Title; Seems like they are giving out a free 1-year plan, as long as you claim the offer before October 31st.

Seems to be legit, as it's coming from their own website. I am currently using their offered plans too, and it works.

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

Is this just the password manager? If so, why this over Bitwarden?

[-] mostly_linux@mastodon.social 16 points 1 year ago

@otter @WQMan i have a full paid subscription to Proton Ultimate but I still use the free version of Bitwarden over the paid version of Proton Pass.

[-] WQMan@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

For myself, mostly using KeePassXC. ProtonPass exists just as a backup for extremely important accounts, in the event where I somehow lost all of my KeePass files stored on all my devices lol.

That said, I do agree that Bitwarden (or most other clients) is probably way superior than ProtonPass itself. I do wish that they had focused on improving their other applications (Mail, Drive. VPN), rather than try to compete in the password manager space...

[-] Swarfega@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I get the feeling they are trying to create a suite of applications to keep you locked into the ecosystem.

[-] dazo@infosec.exchange 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@otter @WQMan

For my own stuff, I do prefer Bitwarden over Proton Pass. Simply because having a lot of stuff in Proton and if then ending up being locked out feels like a too high risk.

I even have some stuff in https://www.passwordstore.org/ where it's synchronised to some (encrypted) locations and internal storage servers ... especially stuff which can help me if I get locked out of Bitwarden.

Don't put all your eggs into the same basket. Avoid the SPOF.

That said, for Proton accounts where I'm the admin - I would recommend Proton Pass these days, as it provides ease of convenience. Where less technical users has only one "platform" to relate to. If these users gets locked out; I have a chance to help them recovering again.

[-] halfempty@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

I still stand with the concept of local password management. I'm still not comfortable with my passwords being held out on the cloud.

[-] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They said it has offline mode, which should work even if they terminate your account.

[-] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sensible. Could only be more secure if you record them all on flashpaper.

This is more of a convenience compromise.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 13 points 1 year ago

As a Mail Plus subscriber, this makes me angry because I have no way to even buy Proton Pass without paying for the full Unlimited Plan (which I don't need).

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Probably my biggest complaint with Proton is how little they focus on their paying subscribers that bought in for the products that existed at the time. They've brought out 3 more apps before making the first 2 really great.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

As someone who has used it from near the start, I'm perfectly fine with how they've treated me.

Gave me more storage on anniversaries, locked in discounts, keep improving solid products, etc.

They could certainly focus more on Linux products but overall I'm quite happy as is even. Mail UI vastly improved, calendar works though I use it little, etc. Jmho

[-] mostly_linux@mastodon.social 6 points 1 year ago

@Scrollone @stifle867 it doesn’t seem very professional or well run. Reminds me a little of Mozilla. Both focus on many thinks and do an average (to bad) job rather than doing fewer things with a focus on excellence.

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Exactly. It does feel like they're losing their focus. It's especially noticeable when it comes to feature parity across devices and basic things that never get fixed.

I understand they probably have "different teams" working on the different products which a lot of companies use as a cover to say that the resources spent on the new projects don't "take away" from the old ones. We can see how that has turned out in the video game industry where they can pump out microtransactions on a broken game.

[-] hiddengoat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's especially galling how they want money for the ability to store multiple logins through their app.

Just login through a mobile browser and it will store multiple logins AND has a better interface. WTF?

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Are you talking about Proton or Dashlane?

[-] hiddengoat@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Nobody mentioned Dashlane in this thread so take a guess.

[-] WQMan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IMO, my biggest concern is sustainability for Proton.

Focusing on cool, new products over current products is probably going to be unsustainable in the long run. If it isn't economically sustainable, I fear they might give up on privacy-related features just to make some cash. (Just like Mozilla and Google)

Or worse, they might be forced to shut down some services, which is completely backwards and undesirable...

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Lol you have to be kidding. I signed up less than a month ago. Proton Pass's killer feature is it can generate an email address kinda like addy and fastmail do. for example you might chess.1310fj@passinbox.com for chess.com.

It's still fairly rough though. It misses lots of login fields that bitwarden didn't, but I expect it'll improve. In the time I've had it, they addressed a frequently requested feature, which is allowing webapps. It's not an official one, but you can open the extension in a window, copy the url and make a webapp from that. So it feels a little half backed but for the price it really is a solid value.

Also I really like that there's no tinkering required to integrate the fake emails it creates with your proton mailbox. You can reply to an email sent to your fake email address, and the person who sent the email will see it as though it came from your fake address. This can be a pain in the ass.

That said, I've had two websites reject my proton pass emails, netbird.io (which is ironic for a purported privacy focused business), and Oracle cloud, which is not surprising at all.

[-] Papanca@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I tried to sign up with Ente photos and never got a verification code. The only one that didn't accept my proton pass emails. Very ironic, since Ente is big on privavy too

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah it really sets the stage poorly. Netbird is messed up in that it accepts the email and makes you think everything is working, except your admin panel doesn't have anything in it. I spent hours troubleshooting before knowing anything was off.

[-] Papanca@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe there's something in their toolchain that's causing it and not a deliberate decision to block proton emails.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Ugh, this is tough. I've been waiting to try to on board my wife from Bitwarden, which has been working well for us for years, but I've been waiting until Pass was at least almost as mature as Bitwarden. But a free year....

[-] athos77@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

You could claim it now and decide whether to use it later.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

That's what I think I'm gonna do. You can make a Pass account with a non-Proton email address, right?

[-] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

personally I wanted to try it out as I was curious about it but after finding out you couldn't just access it via protonmail I dropped it

could someone correct me if I'm wrong but is the browser extension the only way to access protonpass?

[-] peachfaced@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

At the moment, browser extension is the only way on desktop. And a desktop app is in the works.

On mobile there are apps for android and iOS.

[-] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Is this worth trying over Daahlane if I'm Dashlane Premium user already?

[-] thantik@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I honestly want something like the Mooltipass https://www.themooltipass.com/ - but without all the card-reader bullshit. Something that has a 6-digit easy to enter pin-code, which unlocks the 2-factor, and does the yubikey style authentication thing. But doesn't cost fucking $100 for each key...

[-] Norgur@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

The offer you selected is not available for VPN Plus subscribers.
But you can unlock Pass Plus and all premium Proton services by upgrading to Proton Unlimited — it’s just 3 € extra per month.

this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2023
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