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On Linux and Android. What are privacy oriented alternatives to Firefox now that it's no longer trustworthy?

The ability to sync between devices would be a huge bonus, even just on a local network.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

I just installed Librewolf today, using it now. Being a fork of FF it makes a very smooth transition.

[–] ClownsInSpace2@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I use a similar set up. Librewolf on Linux and IronFox on Android. You could still use a Firefox account to sync, but I wouldn’t. I’ve heard there’s a way to host an older version of Firefox sync locally, but I haven’t looked into it.

[–] FrostyTrichs@crazypeople.online 9 points 2 weeks ago

Second the Ironfox recommendation.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not OP, but I've never heard of IronFox. Is it a comparable replacement for Mull? Gods I'm still a bit salty over how sudden that was...

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's a fork of Mull, in fact!

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Yes IronFox is a fork of Mull, and though it does have a couple of differences in opinion on the balance of privacy and usability, it's very similar. I've been using it since shortly after we lost Mull.

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[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

This + xBrowserSync for bookmarks.

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[–] fireshell@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

LibreWolf finally has an account at mastodon @librewolf@chaos.social

[–] somedev@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

I made the switch, its worth noting that there is some differences, like not keeping cookies by default, and you're not able to set it dark mode etc. These can be fixed up through extensions or config changes.

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[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If you want to keep the Gecko Engine from Mozilla to support an alternative to Google's monopoly here are a couple alternative for Linux :

  • Librewolf
  • Mullvad Browser
  • Zen Browser

For Android you have to be aware that unfortunately every firefox based browser lack of per-site isolation unlike chromium browsers.

  • IronFox (active fork of Mull by DivestOS)
  • Fennec

On the dark side of the spectrum you have chromium browser such as :

  • Brave (Linux & Android) (disable cryptocrap, sponsor backgrounds and it's quite good)
  • Cromite (Android)
[–] breadcat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Vivaldi is much better than brave, no ai or crypto shit and the CEO isn't alt right

[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Vivaldi is pretty awesome. The massive levels of customization are next level compared to other Chromium options. I use it first if needing to use a site that is hard-coded to reject Firefox or other non-Chromium browsers. Also use it as a feed reader a lot.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

I use ungoogled-chromium & thorium are worth a mention.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For Android you have to be aware that unfortunately every firefox based browser lack of per-site isolation unlike chromium browsers.

Wait really? Its 2025, seriously, what is Mozilla doing?

[–] droplet6585@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Collecting paychecks for being controlled opposition?

[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I learned that thanks to DivestOS which was comming with Mull, they had a comparison table and yes no FF based browser support that basic security feature yet...

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've been using LibraWolf on desktop for several years now. It's just far simpler than modifying standard Firefox. for my personal needs.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

LibreWolf is great ! Coming from ArkenFox, I found LibreWolf's override cfg a bit easier.

They also have a pacdiff cfg to see what changes from version to version without the need to roam arkenfoxes github repo for hours to find what changed or what to change.

I installed it yesterday to see how it goes :) If it doesn't fit, will go back to Arkenfox.

[–] trhbd@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

power of 'community-driven' projects

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://digdeeper.club/articles/browsers.xhtml has a somewhat comprehensive analysis of a dozen of the browsers you might consider, illuminating depressing (and sometimes surprising) privacy problems with literally all of them.

In the end it absurdly recommends something which forked from Firefox a very long time ago, which is obviously not a reasonable choice from a security standpoint. I don't have a good recommendation, but I definitely don't agree with that article's conclusion: privacy features are pointless if your browser is trivially vulnerable to exploits for a plethora of old bugs, which will inevitably be the case for a volunteer-run project that diverged from Firefox a long time ago and thus cannot benefit from Mozilla's security fixes in each new release.

However, despite its ridiculous conclusion, that page's analysis could still be helpful when you're deciding which of the terrible options to pick.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 3 points 2 weeks ago

While it was an interesting read, the article is quite outdated and the author is overly negative of literally everything, not just privacy. If a browser has a glowy button, it's horrible because it's too fancy... I feel for the guy...

[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Floorp and librewolf, among others.

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[–] Biserko@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Ironfox on Android, easily is the best.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

LibreWolf is what I use, but I heard Zen Browser is another fork that's been getting some traction. I don't use it though, but I've heard from someone who does that it works for them. thumbs-up

[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Zen looks good, but being more unique couldn't it get fingerprinted more easily?

Also their community is on Discord, which to me is a red flag quite frankly. I realize it's separate from the browser, but still. Discord no good.

Yeah I don't personally like how unlike LibreWolf it doesn't use ResistFingerprinting.

[–] trhbd@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

these days if i find any project exclusively active on socials like discord and twitter, and github forge, i quit using it. i mean i wont be registering an account there just for community support.

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Been using Zen for the past week. It takes some getting used to, but it's been great so far.

[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So I haven't been following the Firefox thing that closely. Fennec isn't an alternative because it uses Firefox's Sync and Brave is out of the question because it's crypto Chrome?

[–] pound_heap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fennec is a poor alternative because it connects to Firefox services. Sync is optional, but some internal components will talk to Mozilla, and Mozilla changed their mind about "never selling your data" recently.

Brave is Chrome with a history of suspicious moves, toxic leadership, involvement with crypto and AI

[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remembered using Vivaldi a while back, I think I'll look into it again.

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[–] trhbd@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

librewolf, mullvad, zen browser? all fork of firefox

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[–] DrainedOctagon@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Depends on your specific case, but IMO in order of preference for deskop, Tor Browser as much as possible, followed by Mullvad Browser as much as you can, for scenarios where you cannot use Tor Browser, followed by LibreWolf for the few sites that require persistent logins (you'll need to enable setting cookies for those specific sites). There's also other Firefox forks like GNU IceCat (unofficial binary for it), Floorp and Zen Browser.

For a less complicated alternative, just swap out Firefox with LibreWolf. Just make sure to read the ENTIRE docs to save yourself from any nasty surprises. Especially about RFP (Resist Fingerprinting), WebGL, Canvas, etc.

On Andriod, again, there's Tor Browser, IronFox, Fennec F-Driod. Additionally if you want a browser based on a different engine, there's Cromite, which is based off of Chromium, but it's probably better to stay with a less commonly used engine like Firefox rather than keep using the mainstream monopoly of Google.

As an aside, this video helped me understand some stuff better and it seems to be less of Mozilla being untrustworthy and more about them being total losers in communication. I recommend checking it out.

[–] DrainedOctagon@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh also, Ladybird Browser, is being developed. It is not based off of Mozilla Firefox or Google Chromium or Safari. They're building their own browser independently without getting any code from other browsers. The Alpha release is planned to come out on 2026.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Impossible to take them seriously if they have already started off on the wrong foot using exclusively megacorpo proprietary platforms for coms. If your developer / testers privacy doesn’t matter since they opted for Microsoft GitHub & Discord, what would lead you to believe their project would take privacy seriously?

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[–] land@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Use any fork of Firefox without the sync option.

[–] nameisnotimportant@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Sorry I've been out of the loop, the encrypted sync isn't safe anymore? I'm using forks since a while but I rely heavily on sync

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can also selfhost sync!

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[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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