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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 283 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

If Russia withdrew their troops, there would be peace immediately.

If Ukraine withdrew their troops, Ukraine would be no more - and there’s no indication Russia would stop there.

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[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 139 points 2 weeks ago (57 children)

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 20 times and I should sign away half my country's mineral wealth for no guarantees and no gains...

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 121 points 2 weeks ago (61 children)

What is there to negotiate? If all the russians leave ukraine, ukranians will probably stop shooting them...

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[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

War in Donbas

Ukraine, Russia, the DPR and LPR signed a ceasefire agreement, the Minsk Protocol, in September 2014.[40] Ceasefire breaches became rife, 29 in all,[41] and heavy fighting resumed in January 2015, during which the separatists captured Donetsk Airport. A new ceasefire, Minsk II, was agreed on 12 February 2015. Immediately after, separatists renewed their offensive on Debaltseve and forced Ukraine's military to withdraw.[42] Skirmishes continued but the front line did not change. Both sides fortified their position by building networks of trenches, bunkers and tunnels, resulting in static trench warfare.[43][44] Stalemate led to the war being called a "frozen conflict",[45] but Donbas remained a war zone, with dozens killed monthly.[46] In 2017, on average a Ukrainian soldier died every three days,[47] with an estimated 40,000 separatist and 6,000 Russian troops in the region.[48][49] By the end of 2017, OSCE observers had counted around 30,000 people in military gear crossing from Russia at the two border checkpoints it was allowed to monitor,[50] and documented military convoys crossing from Russia covertly.[51] All sides agreed to a roadmap for ending the war in October 2019,[52] but it remained unresolved.[53][54] During 2021, Ukrainian fatalities rose sharply and Russian forces massed around Ukraine's borders.[55] Russia recognised the DPR and LPR as independent states on 21 February 2022 and deployed troops to those territories. On 24 February, Russia began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, subsuming the war in Donbas into it.

Make no Mistake: Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine since 2014. Russia is the agressor and needs to put in its place.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine ever since both of them were founded as independent counties. This is just a reiteration of what we've already seen in the russian empire and in the USSR. History is a merry-go-round and I'm getting motion sick of all the rotation.

Edit: typo

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Lots of propaganda today, seems like someone doesn't like Zelenskyy or a strong Ukraine.

Slava Ukraine!

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[–] Syltti@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Zelensky confirmed it was 25 in his meeting with Trump.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 weeks ago

The image describes 2014-2022. So it seems he's had 5 additional sit-downs with Russia between 2023-2025.

At least someone is trying to make peace happen (Ukraine).

[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You can absolutely want peace and even agree to concessions to Russia to reach a sustainable peace, but this point is absolutely valid: there must be security guarantees, otherwise Putin will just use the armistice to rebuild its strength and attack again.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh, absolutely. We want peace more than anyone else, but giving putin a chance to regroup, pull more support together and attack again is not peace, it's surrender

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Like all the guarantees before it, trusting the scorpion will only get the frog drowned.

As a disgusted American.... SLAVA UKRAINE!

I'm sorry my country is acting so poorly

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The deal should be... All Russian troops get pulled out of Ukraine. Ukraine gets a lump sum of all seized Russian assets in foreign nations, Russia agrees not to move troops within 100 miles of Ukraine's border without Ukraine's consent. Ukraine agrees to allow and even assist civillain Russian services with locating and returning living and deceased Russians.

The alternative is we take the limits off of what targets can be attacked within Russia, and enable Ukraine to enforce the conditions as proposed.

I'd also like to add that Russia and the US give up their UN "super veto" power. I don't think anything good and effective can come from the UN when a single country can just "nope" any UN proposals.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

the amount of Fascist, Jingoistic shitposting that favors either Republican or Russian propaganda on social media is STAGGERING. The people arguing for it are more concerned about bathroom gender signs, DEI, wokism, and a bunch of other made up stuff, and not only are they oblivious that their country is being taken over by a foreign aggressor, THEY ARE PROUD OF IT. Because "at least the Russians kill the gays"

We are in this position we are today, because Russia has been waging an information war against NATO countries for 15-20 years. and the seeds they planted during the days of Georgia and Crimea, are blooming into fruit now.

The free world is AT WAR with Russia, and for the time being, America has been conquered. Victory from the jaws of Defeat, for the Russian mafia

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The US won the physical war but lost the soft war to Russia.

The US is being couped, and we need to dethrone them before it's too late.

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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i don't know who needs to hear this, who in their right minds would see Ukraine as the aggressor in this war

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[–] helloworld55@lemm.ee 28 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Negotiations without security assurances*

This is the prime stickler with the USA-Ukraine deal that has been discussed on the news

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Because memes aren't journalism: you got any sources?

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 43 points 2 weeks ago (34 children)

Memes aren't journalism, but this is a meme community, not a news community. However, one could argue that this is not exactly a meme, so your point is fair.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

[–] Mee@reddthat.com 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminder: Russia violated all of these uninformed.

Also, why is this posted here? This is not a meme.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm all for diplomacy. Finding diplomatic solutions to these kinds of problems is the ideal outcome.

When it's not ideal and you're dealing with someone irrational or uncooperative, then maybe fighting isn't the worst way to go.

Bluntly, I support Ukraine. They're clearly trying to make diplomacy work.

I can't say the same for Putin/Russia.

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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

This ^^^ so much

Do not trust Russia, and do not trust the US under current administration, or while the GOP still exists. We in the rest of the world are ON OUR OWN and must band together against this push of fascism across the world. This is not a drill, this is not a joke. Fascism is again on the rise, as it was in the 1930s. We all know where that led, so don't let it do so again!

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