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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 30 points 2 weeks ago

Possibility?

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why does everyone forget about the Steele Dossier and the Muller Report? How fucking dense are we collectively that we cannot see this clearly?

I'm so exhausted by all of this.

[–] adm@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So, I consume their media so you don't have to. The short answer here is that from the moment it came out they've called it fake. Now they actually say that the government itself found the report to be fake. So, yeah they won't listen. Even if tomorrow a full report with names and links and bank accounts came out. Everything you could want...they would think it's fake and as soon as THEIR media starts confirming that they'll forget about it.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He has a cult like grip and it's scary. Supporters seem to just believe what their version of the news says. My friend went from "Mueller exonerated him!"to "largely exonerated him" to "MUELLER WAS WORKING FOR THE DEMS".

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The question for me is why didn't our intelligence services - who want to spy on everybody all the time - understand the risks and inform former governments to prepare? We now need weapons. We needed them three years ago.

I remember Sunak sitting down with Musk at some conference or other very recently, when in fact we should have been preparing for what this individual and his mates were preparing to do once in office.

Our intelligence services were and are too preoccupied with labelling teachers doctors and scientists as domestic terrorists for protesting that climate science is being ignored to devastating coming effect, and banning protests, rather than dealing with the actual threat. Unless of course they don't really see Musk and Trump as at least an ideological threat.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The question for me is why didn’t our intelligence services - who want to spy on everybody all the time - understand the risks and inform former governments to prepare?

How do you know they didn't?

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fair enough, maybe they did and government's chose not to act.

Edit - but even if they did, they have been busy taking away British people's rights to privacy and protest, rather than addressing the growing issue of the USA turning to a Russia that threatens Europe. Ultimately the result is the same. Complete failure of those services, in conjunction with government, to provide an open and free, civilised society.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

People often dont believe you when you tell them things they make up their own little narrative to make themselves feel better.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I hate on the Tories a lot but I'm glad they're not the Republicans.

EDIT: To be very clear: you don't gotta hand it to them.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a faction that wants to emulate the Republicans: Badenoch, Braverman, Truss, to name a few.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, 100%. The America-brained fools and dupes have all too much influence, but most of the MPs, members and voters of the Tories also hate Trump. Bear in mind they elected Badenoch out of sheer stupidity rather than conviction, and when they forced the invidious choice of Badenoch v. Jenrick on themselves, they picked the less Trumpy of the two.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Welcome to the party, pal!

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yippee-Ki-Yay!

[–] slakemoth@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is such double speak. On what planet is Trump, commander of the worlds most powerful military and the dollar, an asset of Russia?

Trump is merely doing what the USA always does. Make favourable outcomes for it's corporations. Stopping the war once Ukraine was desperate and allowing Blackrock to hoover up the minerals was always the aim.

[–] Tamo240@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If his actions benefit Russia is he not an asset to them? The question should be is he a Russian actor or just a useful idiot to them.

[–] slakemoth@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

An asset is something you own and have heavy influence on or control. I.e. Israel is an USAian asset, nazarbaev was a Russian asset.

This is just two powers taking their spoils. Russia spent a lot on this war , as did the usa. Now they want récompense.

Putin is a rational actor, not some demon. He is working with Trump because it benefits Russia in this instance.