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If John Connor grew up in our era, Skynet would've won. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] sxan@midwest.social 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Skynet did win.

Conner led a rebellion, after the machines won. Terminator was an attempt to go back and squash the rebellion before it started.

By Terminator, the rebellion hadn't (yet?) been successful, and all it did was ensure the leader of the rebellion would be born. The second was an fight over ensuring/preventing the paradox caused by the first.

I didn't follow things after that, but, and I thought the second was not as good as the first so I gave up on the franchise; but in none that I saw was Skynet ever prevented. The fact that the third movie, which I didn't see, happened means that the MacGuffin in the second movie wasn't needed for Skynet to happen.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I thought the second was not as good as the first

That is a pretty rare take! Most consider it one of the examples where a sequel is better than the original (and T2 is considered one of the best action movies of all time).

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

It was too hammy. The entire T-800 arc was pandering. The T-1000 concept was interesting, and there were good scenes, but I felt it followed the Star Wars trend of increasingly pandering to younger crowds.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, dude is lost. T2 still looks like it was made in the last 5 years.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It depends, Terminator was a very unique story and more of a horror/slasher movie than an action movie. I prefer the first one, but I didn't always.

Terminator 2 is a fun action movie with heart. It's a very good movie, but it copies a lot from the original. That being said, it really pushes the boundaries of animation tech at the time, to the point where almost all the VFX still hold up.

I also really enjoy The Sarah Connor Chronicals, because it goes pretty deep into an interesting time travel war that was set up by T2. Those three IPs are all very different from each other, and are all great stories. Everything else is basically a money grab.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

~~I don't agree they were a money grab. A money grab in my opinion is something, usually crappy, made based off the popularity of the first edition. T2 spent a lot of money making a great sequel. You can tell the writers/directors/actors/staff cared about the project.~~

~~A money grab would be 8 American pie "sequels" riding on the coat tails of a popular teen movie at the time.~~

~~Maybe Terminator 3 onward can be considered cash grabs, but definitely not T2 in my opinion, there is a reason it's one of the few sequels considered equal or better than the original.~~

Reread your comment. Yes, those 3 are solid, rest are money grabs.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

T3 portrays the actual moments of the rise of skynet, so even though I don't normally recommend it, for purposes of this discussion I wish you had seen it 😂

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I thought the second was not as good as the first so I gave up on the franchise

The second was great. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles was also okay but I don't consider it cannon.

Everything else was just utter garbage, so yea, you aren't really missing anything. Except like the very very beginning of the 5th movie (Genisys), but once the opening sequence is over the rest of the movie is just garbage.

But its still worth watching all the movies, so you can rewatch T2 and appreciate how great it is.

[–] TheMagicRat@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not exactly right, by Terminator, the machines are losing the war. That's the reason they sent the Terminator back to find and kill Sarah Connor before John is born.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

Hmmm. That's canon, and everything I can find confirms it, but I can't find a source that ignores anything but the original movie; all of the Original Timeline incorporates information from the sequels.

I need to go watch the original again. I still remember that, within the movie, Reese - the only source of information about the future war - says they were winning until Skynet became self-aware, implying that humans stopped winning. Can you find a quote where Reese says they'd defeated Skynet, or were about to? The quotes I found imply otherwise.

To be clear: I'm not debating canon. You're right - when including all the movies, in the Original Timeline the humans destroy SkyNet. What I said, and still believe, is that in isolation in the first movie Reese does not say humans were winning the Future War, nor had they beaten SkyNet.

[–] Karcinogen@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, if given the choice between having a Thunderhead AI or having a Skynet AI + Profits, the people in power would choose the latter.