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Wondering about services to test on either a 16gb ram "AI Capable" arm64 board or on a laptop with modern rtx. Only looking for open source options, but curious to hear what people say. Cheers!

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[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I use OLlama & Open-WebUI, OLlama on my gaming rig and Open-WebUI as a frontend on my server.

It's been a really powerful combo!

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Would you please talk more about it. I forgot about Open-webui, but intending to start playing with. Honestly, what do you actually do with it?

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I have the same setup, but its not very usable as my graphics card has 6gb ram. I want one with 20 or 24, as the 6b models are pain and the tiny ones don’t give me much.

Ollama was pretty easy to set up on windows, and its eqsy to download and test the models ollama has available

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like you and I are in a similar place of testing.

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Possibly. Been running it since last summer, but like i say the small models dont do much good for me. I have tried llama3.1 olmo2, deepseek r1 in a few variants, qwen2. Qwen2.5 coder, mistral, codellama, starcoder2, nemotron-mini, llama3.2, qwen2.5-coder, gamma2 and llava.

I use perplexity and mistral as paid, with much better quality. Openwebui is great though, but my hardware is lacking

Edit: saw that my mate is still using it a bit so i’ll update openwebu frpm 0.4 to 0.5.20 for him. Hes a bit anxious about sending data to the cloud so he dont mind the quality

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

Scrap that - after upgrading it went bonkers and will always use one of my «knowledges» no matter what I try. The websearch fails even with ddg as engine. Its aways seemed like the ui was made by unskilled labour, but this is just horrible. 2/10 not recommended

[–] mac@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have Linkwarden pointed at my ollama deployment, so it auto tags links that I archive which is nice.

I've seen other people send images captured on their security cameras on frigate to ollama to get it to describe the image

There's a bunch of other use cases I've thought of for coding projects, but haven't started on any of them yet

[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have this exact same setup. Open Web UI has more features than I've been able to use such as functions and pipelines.

I use it to share my LLMs across my network. It has really good user management so I can set up a user for my wife or brother in law and give them general use LLM while my dad and I can take advantage of Coding-tuned models.

The code formatting and code execution functions are great. It's overall a great UI.

Ive used LLMs to rewrite code, help format PowerPoint slides, summarize my notes from work, create D&D characters, plan lessons, etc

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sex chats. For other uses, just simple searches are better 99% of the time. And for the 1%, something like the Kagis FastGPT helps to find the correct keywords.

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I run kobold.cpp which is a cutting edge local model engine, on my local gaming rig turned server. I like to play around with the latest models to see how they improve/change over time. The current chain of thought thinking models like deepseek r1 distills and qwen qwq are fun to poke at with advanced open ended STEM questions.

STEM questions like "What does Gödel's incompleteness theorem imply about scientific theories of everything?" Or "Could the speed of light be more accurately refered to as 'the speed of causality'?"

As for actual daily use, I prefer using mistral small 24b and treating it like a local search engine with the legitimacy of wikipedia. Its a starting point to ask questions about general things I don't know about or want advice on, then do further research through more legitimate sources.

Its important to not take the LLM too seriously as theres always a small statistical chance it hallucinates some bullshit but most of the time its fairly accurate and is a pretty good jumping off point for further research.

Lets say I want an overview of how can I repair small holes forming in concrete, or general ideas on how to invest financially, how to change fluids in a car, how much fat and protein is in an egg, ect.

If the LLM says a word or related concept I don't recognize I grill it for clarifying info and follow it through the infinite branching garden of related information.

I've used an LLM to help me go through old declassified documents and speculate on internal gov terminalogy I was unfamiliar with.

I've used a speech to text model and get it to speek just for fun. Ive used multimodal model and get it to see/scan documents for info.

Ive used websearch to get the model to retrieve information it didn't know off a ddg search, again mostly for fun.

Feel free to ask me anything, I'm glad to help get newbies started.

[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

None currently. Wish I could afford a GPU to play with some stuff.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well, let me know your suggestions if you wish. I took the plunge and am willing to test on your behalf, assuming I can.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah. I have a mini PC with an AMD GPU. Even if I were to buy a big GPU I couldn't use it. That frustrates me, because I'd love to play around with some models locally. I refuse to use anything hosted by other people.

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[–] colourlesspony@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I messed around with home assistant and the ollama integration. I have passed on it and just use the default one with voice commands I set up. I couldn't really get ollama to do or say anything useful. Like I asked it what's a good time to run on a treadmill for beginners and it told me it's not a doctor.

[–] metoosalem@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like I asked it what's a good time to run on a treadmill for beginners and it told me it's not a doctor.

Kirkland brand meseeks energy.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hey now Kirkland brand is respectable, usually premium brands repackaged. Such as how Costco vodka was secretly ("secretly") Grey Goose

[–] Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There are some experimental models made specifically for use with Home Assistant, for example home-llm.

Even though they are tiny 1-3B I've found them to work much better than even 14B general purpose models. Obviously they suck for general purpose questions just by their size alone.

That being said they're still LLMs. I like to keep the "prefer handling commands locally" option turned on and only use the LLM as a fallback.

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like ollama was loaded up with an either overly censored or plain brain dead language model. Do you know which model it was? Maybe try mistral if it fits in your computer.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Haha, that is hilarious. Sounds like it gave you some snark. afaik you have to clarify by asking again when it says such things. "I'm not asking for medical advice, but..."

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have Immich that has AI searching for my photos. Pretty useful for finding stuff actually

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Once I changed the default model, immich search became amazing. I want to show it off to people but alas, way too many NSFW pics in my library. I would create a second "clean" version to show off to people but I've been too lazy.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LMStudio is pretty much the standard. I think it's opensource except for the UI. Even if you don't end up using it long-term, it's great for getting used to a lot of the models.

Otherwise there's OpenWebUI that I would imagine would work as a docker compose, as I think there's ARM images for OWU and ollama

[–] L_Acacia@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Well they are fully closed source except for the open source project they are a wrapper on. The open source part is llama.cpp

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[–] truxnell@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I run ollama and auto1111 on my desktop when it's powers on. Using open-webui in my homelab always on, and also connected to openrouter. This way I can always use openwebui with openrouter models and it's pretty cheap per query and a little more private that using a big tech chatbot. And if I want local, I turn on the desktop and have local lamma and stab diff.

I also get bugger all benefit out of it., it's a cute toy.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do you like auto1111 as I've never head of it

[–] L_Acacia@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

The project is a bit out of date for newer models, Though Older ones work great.

I recommand ComfyUi if you want fine grained control over the generation and you like to tinker.

Swarm / Reforge / Invoke if you want neat, up to date UI.

[–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have immich machine learning and ollama with openwebui

I use immich search a lot to find things like pictures of the side of the road to post on my community !sideoftheroad@lemmy.today

I almost never use the ollama though, not really sure what to do with it other than ask it dumb questions just to see what it says

I use the duckduckgo one when it auto has an answer to something I searched but its not too reliable

[–] y0shi@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’ve an old gaming PC with a decent GPU laying around and I’ve thought of doing that (currently use it for linux gaming and GPU related tasks like photo editing etc) However ,I’m currently stuck using LLMs on demand locally with ollama. Energy costs of having it powered on all time for on demand queries seems a bit overkill to me…

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Have to agree on that. Certainly only makes sense to have up when you are using it.

[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I put my Plex media server to work doing Ollama - it has a GPU for transcoding that's not awful for simple LLMs.

[–] y0shi@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

That sounds like a great way of leveraging existing infrastructure! I host Plex together with other services in a server with intel transcoding capable CPU. I’m quite sure I would get much better performance with the GPU machine, might end up following this path!

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Immich counts for its search system, then there's that.

Otherwise I've tried some various things and found them lacking in functionality, and would require leaving my PC on all the time to use.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

What else did you try and what was lacking?

[–] rikudou 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Try running an AI Horde worker, it's a really great service!

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure I know what that is. As in Hoarder?

[–] rikudou 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's a cluster of workers where everyone can generate images/text using workers connected to the service.

So if you ran a worker, people could generate stuff using your PC. For that you would gain kudos, which in turn you can use to generate stuff on other people's computers.

Basically you do two things: help common people without access to powerful machines and use your capacity when you have time to use the kudos whenever you want, even on the road where you can't turn on your PC if you fancy so.

[–] Helmaar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was able to run a distilled version of DeepSeek on Linux. I ran it inside a PODMAN container with ROCM support (I have an AMD GPU). It wasn't super fast but for a locally deployed and self hosted option the performance was okay. Apart from that I have deployed Fooocus for image generation in a similar manner. Currently, I am working on deploying Stable Diffusion with either ComfyUI or Automatic1111 inside a PODMAN container with ROCM support.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Didn't know about these image generation tools, besides Stable Diffusion. Thanks!

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I spun up ollama and paperless-gpt to add ai ocr sidecar to paperless-ngx. It's okay. It can read handwritten stuff okayish, which is better than tesseract (doesnt read hand writing at all), so I throw handwritten stuff to it, but the difference on typed text is marginal in my single day I spent testing 3 different models on a few different typed receipts.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which specific models did you try and how would you rank each is usability?

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I tried minicpm-v, granite3.2-vision, and mistral.

Granite didn't work with paperless-gpt at all. Mistral worked sometimes but also just kept running sometimes and didn't finish within a reasonable time (15 minutes for 2 pages). minicpm-v finishes every time, but i just looked at some of the results and seems as though it's not even worth keeping it running either. I suppose maybe the first one I tried that gave me a good impression was a fluke.

To be fair, I'm a noob at local ai, and I also don't have a good gpu (gtx1650). So these failures could all be self induced. I like the idea of ai powered ocr so I'll probably try again in the future...

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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I am curious about trying an application specific AI. Like just for coding, for instance. I assume the memory requirements would be much lower.

[–] kiol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

afaik Ollama would fit that bill, but perhaps others can chime in. You could probably run it on your local computer with a small model based on CPU alone.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

I haven’t sunk much time at it, but I’m not aware of any training data focusing on code only. There’s nothing preventing me from running with general purpose data, but I imagine I’d have a snappier response with a smaller, focused dataset, without losing accuracy.

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can anyone suggest a model for light coding? I'm on a 3070 mobile.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Claude is the standard that all others are judged by. But it's not cheap.

Gemini is pretty good, and Qwen-coder isn't bad. I'd suggest you watch a few vids on GosuCoder's YT channel to see what works for you, he reviews a pile of them and it's quite up to date.

And if you use VScode, I highly recommend the Roocode extension. Gosucoder also goes into revising the roocode prompt to reduce costs for Claude. Another extension is Cline.

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