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I guess having anxiety and eczema is a bad combo then, because either my brain or my hands are getting irritated
I am assuming you tried milder soaps and lotion after
Yeah I use Cerave lotion as needed, just annoying having greasy hands sometimes. I also occasionally wear gloves overnight with either Vaseline or sometimes a steroid cream when things get real bad.
I used to have issues and some adjustments pretty much solved it but there are limits... Some people just fucking dry lol
I hate to say it but I think my dog is to blame. I was pretty much entirely I symptom free before getting him. Seems to slowly abating year over year, though. I guess I’m getting used to all the dirt, fur, and dander.
We need some studies about the benefits of hand washing while wearing rubber gloves. As easy as it is to fool ourselves I'd bet that those benefits still exist to some degree.
"I'm going to wash my hands of it." is something we've all probably heard at some point. I wondered if there was anything behind the saying. Turns out there is.
I'm pretty sure that's just a reference to Pontius Pilate.
Perhaps at some point, but my grandmother used to say it when she was fed up with something and I can guarantee she wasn't referencing anything to do with ancient Rome.
It’s a biblical reference that was set in ancient Rome.
I understood the reference, but my grandmother (and others I've known who've said it) didn't give a crap about either the bible or ancient Rome.
Allow me to introduce you to my OCD
I'd bet those benefits also come with a little hit of serotonin making hand washing slightly addictive.
It feels so soothing and is almost always worth the bloodied cracked knuckles
It's a part of me, as clear as can be.
COVID is a horrible example to give for hand washing being effective as it's an airborne virus. like sure, handwashing is great for other viruses and will never hurt when doing COVID prevention but wearing a respirator is the actual best way to prevent contagion for anything airborne
That is true but what happens when you sneeze into your hand and then touch a doorknob? Much better if you washed your hands first.
Seems like most of them are small sample sizes. I'd like to see some repeatable results, too.
Indeed, it is a small sample size.
However, I think it’s possible that these results are true. If you understand relational frame theory, then you can see how the act of washing hands can activate some schemas or deactivate others.
Seen through this lens, the results of these experiments are not special, but are simply implications of an already established theory of cognition.
I respectfully disagree. The Germ Theory of Disease did not fully take root until the late 1800s, less than 200 years ago.
A fine example is Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis who proposed hand-washing for doctors because he noticed that there were fewer miscarriages and post-labor deaths when doctors washed their hands between an autopsy and a birth. This was, for one, against commonly accepted theory at the time, as the Germ Theory had not yet taken serious hold or had much evidence for it. For two, his proposal was later rejected, doctors stopped washing their hands, and Semmelweis was later committed into an asylum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
The CDC in the USA didn't even suggest hand-washing for doctors until the 1980's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK144018/
The 1980s represented a landmark in the evolution of concepts of hand hygiene in health care. The first national hand hygiene guidelines were published in the 1980s, followed by several others in more recent years in different countries. In 1995 and 1996, the CDC/Healthcare Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC) in the USA recommended that either antimicrobial soap or a waterless antiseptic agent be used for cleansing hands upon leaving the rooms of patients with multidrug-resistant pathogens.
"Washing our hands of it" is a relatively recent phenomenon, seriously. If it was "simply implications of an already established theory of cognition" I would think that we'd have a much longer, serious history of actual handwashing. For most of human history, humans have been absolutely fucking filthy. Early human history didn't even use soap for bathing as much as it was used for textiles. Even the Romans, known for bathing, used oils, not soaps. Further, before the Industrial Revolution, soap was mostly accessible to the aristocracy. The Industrial Revolution was... *checks notes... was 1760, about a hundred years before Semmelweis was one of the first people to propose hand-washing.
This is an extremely short time period for this behavior to be part of "an already establish theory of cognition." Whereas we have millions of years without serious hand-washing as part of human culture... which is where that established theory of cognition was developed... prior to handwashing.
Ah. I see that it seems as if I’m saying that hand-washing is the result of a theory of cognition, and that this theory of cognition suggests that hand-washing has been deeply ingrained in our psyches for millenia, somehow eliciting the results from the experiments.
I am not suggesting that. Sorry for not having been clear before. I’m tired so I’m sorry if this response is not clear as well. I’m happy to clarify any further misunderstandings.
This is the theory that I’m referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnSHpBRLJrQ (of course, there are academic publications on Relational Frame Theory, but this video shows its practical implications quite well)
Learn it in one. Derive it in two. Put it in networks, and that’s what you’ll do.
We have relational frames surrounding hand-washing. We also have relational frames for thousands of other thoughts and behaviors. When those two (hand-washing frames with other frames) combine, they can affect the way we think and act in ways that are novel and perhaps unusual.
Please let me know if this isn’t clear.
Those are not the benefits I expected to read haha. I just use it as a nice mindful moment to notice the warm water and smell of the soap. It's a pretty good check in during the day for me.