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[–] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

First, I agree with the general sentiment. However, there are some devilish details.

Take a look at some pictures of Gary, Indiana. It's an entire city that's been mostly abandoned since the collapse of the industry that built it. There are entire boarded up neighborhoods, and some quite fine large, brick houses where wealthy people used to live. It's all just sitting there. I'm sure that Gary would love to have people start moving back in, and revive the city.

So, say Gary just eminent-domained all those properties, and said to America: you want a house? All you have to do is come, pick one, and move in. You live in it for 5 years, it's your's.

The problem is that it costs money to keep up a home. Home maintenance is stupid expensive, and most of these abandoned homes need repairs: new windows, new roofs, new water heaters, plumbing repairs, electrical repairs. Do you have any idea what a new window costs? And even if it's sweat equity, and you're able to repair a roof yourself, you still need materials. Where does this money come from?

Are the homeless in California going to move to Gary, IN? Are the homeless in Alabama? There are homeless employed folks, but they're tied to their locations by their jobs. They're not moving to Gary.

Finally, it's a truism that it's often less expensive to tear down a house in poor condition and build a new one than it is to renovate. If these people don't have the money to build a new house, how are they going to afford to renovate a vacant one.

The problem is that people need jobs to live in a house (unless someone else is paying for taxes, insurance, and maintenance). And the places with jobs aren't the places like Gary, that have a abundance of empty homes. All of those empty homes are in inconvenient places, where the industry and jobs they created dried up.

It may be that a well-funded organization could artificially construct a self-sustaining community built on the bones of a dead one. But I think it's oversimplifying to suggest that you can just take an empty home away from the owner (let's assume you can) and just stick homeless people in it and assume it'll work - that, even given a house, they'll be able to afford to keep it heated, maintained, powered, insured. Shit, even if you given them a complete tax exemption, just keeping a house is expensive.

I'm sure there are some minority of homeless for whom giving an abandoned home in the area they live would solve their problems. And I'm sure that, for a while at least, having a bigger box to live in would be an improvement for many, even if the box is slowly falling apart around them. But I think it's naive to be angry about the number of empty homes, and that homelessness could be solved by relocating the homeless to where these places are and assigning them a house - whatever state it's in.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

We don't need to move them, there are vacant homes everywhere. Even in San francisco the residential vacancy rate is 6%. The unhoused in San francisco make up about 1% of the population, so assuming the unhoused population takes up the same amount of housing per person as the housed population, we could house every unhoused person here and still have 5% left over.

That's the worst case too, the rest of the country has a higher vacancy rate and a proportionally lower unhoused population.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is that people need jobs to live

QFT

[–] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Don't get me started on that one.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

so, the biggest reasons why the california unhoused population is so big are because social workers from the rest of the country send their high needs people our way. it's called 'greyhound therapy'-california is warm enough you won't freeze in winter, nobody thinks about heat stroke, and a bus ticket is better than a month of shelter beds. we also get all the children they throw away for being queer, at least the ones who don't just join the military, which isn't going to be a thing anymore, for pretty similar reasons.

so the opposite of that actually happens. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to go home.

except... even in los angeles, there are so many empty units. I don't just mean for turnover-the half dozen or so big landlording companies make more money keeping a unit empty and recursively leveraging it like tesla stock than renting it out to a tenant with good income and dubious credit. so we are being stared at by a thousand blind windows at all times. many of them in large buildings that are partially occupied, and even the single family residences are well maintained, because they exist as financial instruments. I doubt it's enough, but not everybody actually wants to live in los angeles-the food is great, the culture is good, I adore the mild winters, and so much else, but the hills, the traffic, the ground constantly shaking, the noise, the fact one of our seasons is just 'fire' and the smoke sometimes drops the temperature by a degree or two so it's not even a net negative every time, the amount of funding we give to the gangs, and the fact it's just so fucking big and so fucking city just isn't for everyone. I'm sure there are people who miss snow.

the concept is more sound than you would think, and it's not like there's any down side.

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[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And people think it's the fault of the poor that they don't have enough :)

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[–] HiroProtagonist@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I keep wondering if we have reached or are on the cusp of a post-scarcity society.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It is true that there will never be enough to satisfy the greediest among us. Unless there’s some kind of global revolution this will continue until the end

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[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shout-out to too good to go - an app that aims to minimize food waste by letting restaurants and grocery stores sell "surprise bags" of food at 1/3 to 1/2 off!

Good mythical morning has a few episodes featuring these!

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

That's capitalism baybe. The expectation of infinite growth in a finite system based around the infinite sales of infinite products that have a price because they say they are finite.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We all lie to ourselves in various ways - like thinking we need a supercomputer in our pocket so we can see what's trending while we sit on the toilet.

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[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Brings to mind the barbecue speech

How many men ever went to a barbecue and would let one man take off the table what's intended for 9/10ths of the people to eat. The only way you'll ever be able to feed the balance of the people is to make that man come back and bring back some of that grub he ain't got no business with.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We also dont have enough water, living on a enormous water planet. :)

[–] citizenserious@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I dont think salt is an unsolvable problem. Its just that as usual, it needs to be profitable to solve it. Currently its just being used as a fake resource limitation. That problem would quickly be solved if humanity had to.

[–] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

AFAIK salt is pretty hard to take out at a scale cause is really well dissolved. There are some methods available but seems they are energy intense.

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[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

There's a house on my way to work that's vacant. I saw an ambulance there about two years ago; I'm betting that the owner died, because it's now entirely overgrown, with weeds and grass completely overtaking the yard and driveway.

How many of the 'empty houses' are places that were abandoned and are in such disrepair that they're not safe for habitation, and how many of them are places that are second houses and/or bank-owned rentals?

For reference, the house I live in right now was repo'd around 2010, and my partner and I bought it in 2018; it had been vacant for almost a decade, and required a lot of work, almost as much as it cost, to get it safe. And it still needs work; I need to shore up the floor that's sagging, and the exterior walls need to be opened up from the inside and be fully sealed b/c I can feel breezes inside when it's windy outside.

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