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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 17 points 2 hours ago

This is kinda funny, just thinking someone believes you can "trade in" a PC at all. Even more so when they are trying to say those same Windows 10 machines will be so useless you need to trade them in in the first place, making the value of such a trade in what, next to nothing?

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 7 points 2 hours ago

A testament to the shot development standards at MS. An OS literally should not in a million years be this resource inefficient, especially out of the box.

[–] JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Someone has to say it: I bought a MacBook!

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 8 minutes ago

A MacBook is on the upgrade treadmill even faster than windows lol

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

jokes on them i just erased my windows and put mint on it

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Hi from a Thinkpad running Debian (Mint), as God intended

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 16 points 4 hours ago

Oh sure, why not throw a perfectly functional $1,300 into a shredder so we can make Microsoft happy? Oh yeah, I know, because fuck you Microsoft.

[–] oplkill@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Kinda funny the same statement to Tesla owners, where comments are telling that it's easy...

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Alright then MS, (this is hypothetical as I haven't ran Windows as my main OS in years and don't plan on going back) since you want me to trade in my hardware, how 'bout I trade in your OS instead? :p

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of suggestions here. Here is mine peppermint OS. Simple and doesnt brake (debian based)

[–] zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Peppermint OS and Pop! OS are my top favs.

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So, uh... You gonna trade me a better machine for my current one, Microsoft?

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

M$: best I can do is Intel celery, but it's new enough to run windows 11

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 13 minutes ago

I can't recall ever trying it with peanut butter, that sounds interesting

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Comes with 64gb emmc & 4gb ram, soldered. Everything else is extra

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

No, but you can use it for your bloody mary.

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[–] loudartist@lemmy.wtf 49 points 10 hours ago (26 children)

Seriously, use Linux. What is the problem?

[–] CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

[–] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

Try them here: https://distrosea.com/

I suggest Cinnamon Ubuntu for a combination of Mint and Ubuntu and the best of both worlds. It's got the Mint Windows like front end, with Ubuntu in the back. Most help online is for Ubuntu anyway and it's better with games imo.

https://distrosea.com/select/ubuntucinnamon/

My partner is a gamer and this is what I'm bringing him in on this summer.

[–] Tmask@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Just use Ubuntu. It's super easy and built for folks new to Linux. Plus steam plays all games on Linux, so no worries there.

You can duck duck go any question and then add "ubuntu" to the end and get help. No reason not to at this point.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Just use Ubuntu. (Surely I'll get hate for this.)

It's based on Debian, a major branch off the tree. It just fucking works. Millions of tutorials, groups, etc. to find troubleshooting info. Probably won't have to do anything to get a machine running that does everything you're doing now.

Get the swing of that and go from there, if you want to try other branches.

This realization helped me quite a bit: Windows does all sorts of arcane voodoo with the registry and DLLs and such. Weirdness Linux appeals to many because all the configuration is contained in simple text files. Got a program that reads and writes plain old text? Aight. You can configure Linux. In a way, it's so simple it's hard to get your head around coming from Windows.

tl;dr: Just download and install Ubuntu. Go from there with your nicely working machine.

(Taking your questions seriously and attempting to offer genuine and practical advice with some of my usual psychotic sense of humor)

There aren't billions of versions of Linux, only tens of thousands. Of those, some are meant for servers, some are meant for embedded devices, some are meant for supercomputers, some haven't been updated in a decade and some are for specific weird niches. Filter out the joke ones like Hannah Montana Linux and what you'll have left are five major distros called Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, Arch and SuSe. These five are quite different from each other, they do things like develop their own package managers and such. Most other distros are minor modifications of these, most of the time just including a different desktop environment or included software. Debian's forks include Ubuntu, Linux Mint, ElementaryOS and Neon. Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, Manjaro, EndeavourOS and SteamOS are forks of Arch, and I'm sure Slackware and SuSe have been forked too. The majority of forks are "What if this distro, but this desktop instead of that one?" This is why there are three different versions of Linux Mint, your choice of Cinnamon, xfce and MATE desktops. How do you choose? Try a few and see which one you like best. They're all free.

You can play Steam games on Linux. Valve has gone BIG into Linux compatibility, their Steam Deck handheld gaming PC ships with a Linux operating system called SteamOS which as previously mentioned is a fork of Arch Linux that comes with the KDE desktop. They have a compatibility layer called Proton which, if I understand the tech correctly, translates DirectX API calls into Vulkan API calls which Linux can understand. At this point, the vast, vast majority of Windows games just work on Linux. The one big sticking point at the moment are kernel-level anticheat systems often used in competitive multiplayer games. The developer has to specifically choose to release a Linux version that enables this, and most don't. So there are some games to include Fortnite that the developers have specifically chosen to not run on Linux. I've been PC gaming exclusively on Linux for over a decade now.

A lot of Linux users are indeed programmers, developers or sysadmins. I'll remind you that Android and ChromeOS are also both Linux operating systems. Many distros these days have complete and polished graphical desktop environments that make the OS similar to use to Windows or MacOS. Take a look at Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition, I bet you'll find your way around.

[–] superprimateball@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago

I'm coming from a non programmer perspective who has been on linux just short of a year. I work in finance but use CachyOS on my personal computer and laptop. I started with PopOs because I had heard that it was "out of the box for nvidia gaming" but soon after learned that most gaming distros are just advertised as such because of pre installed ease of use programs. Proton, wine, etc will run on most forks of linux and the distro you choose matters less and less the more familiar you get with using linux. I recommend CachyOS as a first distro because the installer allows you to choose your desktop environment / window manager. Allows for more options for a beginner so you don't feel limited to what is packaged in other "beginner friendly" distros.

Note that anticheat is still the biggest pain point for linux compatibility layers so I just go on ProtonDB, check to see if the anticheat allows for linux, and if not I have a dual boot of debloated/removed telemetry windows that can run those games. Within my time using it, only rainbow 6 has required me to launch the windows instance. Aside from that all my singleplayer and multiplayer games run, albeit some with a 5% performance decrease (but that's more of an Nvidia issue than an inherent linux issue).

My advice is to just try it. Doesn't take much time or effort to back up your necessary files and just switch even if temporarily just to see if it's for you :)

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

At some point you were foreign to windows also. Everything must have also felt new and weird. The only way to make it feel not new is experience. One way to do that is to stop thinking if you choice the right one the first time. Get your mindset back to learning the whole system, keep and open mind. Go Linux Mint feel it out. Another is stay on Windows 10 and wait it out perhaps Microsoft will budge and allow outdated systems to install Windows 11 with support.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 hours ago

Ubuntu, PopOS, or Linux Mint. All different interface, but largely identical.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago

Just get Mint, you'll be fine.

[–] AvailableFill74@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

Linux community doesn’t help the user friendly nature of the OS, that’s true. Steam deck runs Linux so if it works on steam deck it will likely work on Linux mint or Ubuntu.

Lots of terminal help and outdated forum posts make it feel difficult to manage Linux, you’re right it is overwhelming and it’s not going to have full software compatibility, but if you spend lots of time in the browser and rely on web services it works fairly well over all and is generally low maintenance if you stick to the App Store and use graphic user interfaces.

[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not a programmer or coder and I've been using Linux for about a year. It's been really user friendly after I figured out what distros are and which one to choose. I highly recommend Linux Mint Debian Edition. It's worked quite well for me and was not a huge jump from windows because the user interface is similar. All you need to install it is a thumb drive.

I like playing games on steam and haven't had any issues. There's this really cool website called protondb where you can search steam game compatibility with Linux. For the few that aren't compatible, oftentimes people share fixes which usually consists of copy pasting stuff on there.

[–] CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

Okay yeah, 2 other comments suggested Mint, I'll look into it

And thanks for letting me know about protondb, sounds promising!

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