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[–] Ravenfreak@discuss.online 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I never liked Windows 10, I had way too many issues with it. However, so many companies rely on old versions of Windows and it takes them years to upgrade to the latest version. The machines I use at work still have Windows 10 installed because the software we rely on isn't compatible with Windows 11 yet. This whole "trade in your old PC for a new one" is ridiculous. Thankfully there's many Linux distros that work with older hardware so you don't need Windows!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When management doesn’t want to upgrade from XP because it still works

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

My highschool PCs had XP for as long as at all possible. They switched them to some beginner friendly Linux after. Way to go.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not using windows, but apple does the same thing. My OS is 9 versions old because they won't let me upgrade without buying a new computer.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Will installing / using this reset or format the Mac? I mean, as a first time install thing.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Believe so, yes. You have to clean install the OS with a installer made using the tool.

Ah ok. Thanks!

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's apple wanting to control their closed hardware ecosystem. Windows is built to run on a significantly wider range of hardware, so isn't really comparable in that way.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

True, microsoft is a wehrmacht nazi soldier where as apple is full on gestapo.

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[–] aks69cw@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Always wandering why it isn' t possible for Microsoft to maintain their version and update all along. Linux can do it, Android can do it. I' m not sure about Apple. I switched to Linux years ago and I'm still most satisfied about my choice. My current laptop is from 2009 and can still go on for years. That is what you call sustainability

[–] suaroof@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sustainable products are not profitable products. Look at what happened to Tupperware.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

If there's no IP barrier, the products can come back when the demand is back.

Which is one of the reasons I'm against copyright and of course reverse-engineering and modding and emulation being legally suppressed.

Say, one can easily understand how 90s' era of good old software and hardware ended. Modern business models there are more profitable. But those models lead to degeneracy, and they wouldn't be competitive if the old things were competitive for longer, and the old things would be if not for copyright. More paths is always better.

[–] lemmysarius@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But then the People wouldnt pay for it over and over again?

People are way less willing to pay for updates than for whole new versions.

Apple and companies using Android are selling hardware, not software like Microsoft.

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[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Android doesnt, my S8 can no longer be updated and many apps are beginning to no be supported. I love this phone, all the new ones are way too big.

[–] gens@programming.dev 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Lineageos. I'm like 1 android version behind latest on s9.

Also it depends on the chip maker and the phone maker. Fairphone will get the latest for like a decade..

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Hah. Good luck trying to make me dispose of the computer I built almost a decade ago and that I just upgraded. Neither my laptops nor my phones have outlived this baby.

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[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Actually you can get the IoT Enterprise LTSC here and do your windows thing until 2032

https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[–] Legom7@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How much could a new PC be Michael, $10?

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[–] Ickabod@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trading in a PC.... in 2025? To who? Where? What time period, even? They must be thinking it's still 1985, and you can trade in your IBM Compatible to your nearest IBM Distributor.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Users to microsoft: "You're creating a huge pile of garbage out of perfectly fine devices because of unneeded hardware requirement"

microsoft: "It's ok, just buy a new one"

Rarely have a message gone through so bad.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you believe this company has a Chief Sustainability Officer? What the fuck do they do all day?

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[–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funny because people still use Windows 7 in large quantities across the world.

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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Linux/BSD blah blah blah

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Trade in to whom, to Linux users?.. Actually a good idea, not sure MS understood which almost logically complete advice they gave.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If you are living on the coast and the water is rising due to climate change, just sell your house and move.

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?!

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[–] dan00@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Linux users tell Microsoft to just get over it, dump your parasitic software and start over, because how hard can it be?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

As someone who did exactly this a year and a half or so ago: so much easier than you think.

[–] Gremour@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As hard as plugging in a USB with OS and follow instructions.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Can MS be sued by EU for this? There was the thing with USB-C, because E-waste, and now the most used Desktop-OS says "just throw your PC away" for a not really needed (and artifically defined) requirement.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

W10 wouldn't get past the pin screen (type pin, then black screen forever, nothing else), so I used a live boot disk of fedora to rescue my files (turns out you can just bypass windows pins and mount the drive), then installed fedora on my old toshiba satellite and never looked back. Few years in I upgraded with linux in mind and now am cruising with a Framework 16. No regrets.

Join us! Cast off your shackles! Microsoft has no power over you beyond what you willingly give them!

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[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

And I now I use Linux. Will never go back to Windows after this nonsense.

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